first post.... Rifle build questions

Discussion in 'Long Range Hunting & Shooting' started by Alaska hunter, Dec 27, 2011.

  1. Alaska hunter

    Alaska hunter New Member

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    Hello. this is my first post. i have lurked for a while and done a good bit of reading here and finally joined up.
    A little background. I live and hunt, fish and trap in Alaska. been hunting for a long time and have harvested my "share" of game. I also work part time at the local sportsmans warehouse for my FUN money....

    This fall on a goat hunt on kodiak island my hunting partner and I had several opportunities at some longer range 400-600 yds shots on goats. However, I had my 338 along and did not take those shots. I haven't handloaded and was not comfortable shooting that distance with that gun. It is a custom gun, but I didn't have much involvement in it. i paid the gunsmith and he built it.

    anyways, i had planned on building an UL gun for hunting, but after that hunt, I changed my mind. i would rather lug around a 9lb rifle and come back with a full pack, then have a lighter weight gun and come home empty handed.

    I do not think i will shoot over 500yds. with most being 3-400yds for a "long" shot. I also am going to start reloading. I am looking to end up with a same hole gun at 100yds, so that those "longer" shots will be easier.

    I do not plan on using the gun for bears. mostly goat, sheep, caribou and an elk hunt this fall. i have been looking at the VLD in 185 and 190 gr. or accubonds

    I am looking for input. here is what I have sort of come up with for a game plan so far.

    300 RUM
    A remington 700 action
    a pac-nor 28" super match grade stainless barrel (I am unsure of twist, 1 in 11 or 1 in 10" ???)
    I was going to have pac-nor do the fitting and chambering, and fluting.
    jewell trigger
    mpi stock, pillar bedded, alum bedding block , perch bellied with a 378 wthby box.
    and a cerrakote job.

    I was then thinking of topping it with a a swarovski Z5, 3.5-18 with the ballistic turret.

    I want to have a very accurate hunting rifle, ideally 1/2 moa at 400yds.

    any input, critique, recommendations welcome.

    thanks
     
  2. hoverp

    hoverp Well-Known Member

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    the scope sounds a bit large for magnification...but then with your specs on the rifle your considering , I bet with some practice and a good rangefinder that gives you the cosine figure for angled shots you will probably be streatching the capable legs of the combo you have built.

    I shoot a 24 inch Kimber Montana, 325 WSM with 200 accubonds and 220 powerpoints with a Leupold VX3"L" 4.5-14 , with the Boone and Crocket reticle.


    killed my "share" of Elk and Deer, Speedgoats and such , and its very light and is awesome in the mountains of Montana....so I appreciate the lightness, but its good out to 500 yards with that scope and bullet combo. best its done has been 1.5 inch 3 shot group at 458 yards on a calm day...so a VERY light rifle doesnt need to be inaccurate or wimpy.

    BUT all that said I think you rig will be great...I just prefer a lighter rifle for all that up and down.(especially as I get older )


    Good luck!
     

  3. Derek M.

    Derek M. Well-Known Member

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    Well, frankly you don't need any custom build to shoot 400 yards, even 500. But I'm not one to tell you not to do it. Looks like you have all the right components. I have a PacNor bbl. on a 30.06 and it is a great bbl. But if you want to increase your chances of a 1/2 MOA rifle, there is good evidence that there are better barrels out there.

    Hart will flute and fit a barrel on your action and true the action too. Bartlien will do it. I don't know if Krieger will.

    I think you should consider Hart, Krieger, Bartlien, or Lilja barrels, in my opinion, first. You may even consider Rock and Broughton barrels.

    I'm reading very good things about Schneider barrels, their polygonal rifling, and I'm anxious to try one. I like the canted or Russian style lands (5R and 5C) and for Schneider, (5P)

    I'm sure someone else will chime in but PacNor, although they make a fine barrel, is not on the top of my list for a top of the line tube.

    As to bullets, for what you are hunting, I've had excellent luck with a 180 Scirocco and Re25. 10T or 11T will serve you well.

    Oh, by the way, if you can get your hands on an Obermeyer cut rifled 5R barrel, you won't be sorry. I got 2. Boots does not make a bad barrel. Period.
     
  4. liltank

    liltank Well-Known Member

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    What's the hesitation in reloading for the 338? That gun is more than enough if not the same as a RUM at 500.... for that matter 800yds. If you start loading, you open up options in bullets and powder that will really make that rifle a game slayer. That's the direction I would go.... unless you just want another rifle!:D In that case, I'm all in. Your scope option is fine.

    Tank
     
  5. COBrad

    COBrad Well-Known Member

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    Welcome Alaska Hunter.
    If your max range is 500 yards, the rifle you have will serve quite well. Even if will only hold 1 MOA at 500 it will still work great. I would suggest before you try make yourself a longer range shooter through a rifle purchase, use what you have to learn with first. You will probably be surprised what your rifle is capable of.
    Learn to reload, get a chronograph and ballistic software, do you have a rangefinder that will get you out to 500? What are you using for a scope?
    It's all things you will want to learn even with a new rifle anyway.
     
  6. Alaska hunter

    Alaska hunter New Member

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    thanks for the input. Keep it coming. I am not set on anything at this point.

    the 338 I have currently is built on a winchester action
    it has a 26" shilen barrel, a jewell trigger. It is in an mpi thumbhole stock, with a full length alum block and is pillar bedded. It has a 378 wtby box, and is perch bellied as well, with a pachmeyer pad.

    I have hutning scopes on all my rifles, either Zeiss or swarovski. I have a nikon Monarch 800 for a range finder, but just ordered a Leica.


    I appreciate the comments, I am interested in hearing from everybody willing to offer advise.
     
  7. Derek M.

    Derek M. Well-Known Member

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    Well here's my specs on my 300 RUM:

    Trued Remington 700 Action (by Shilen)
    28" #4 SS with break (by Shilen)
    HS Precision stock
    1 pound Jewel trigger
    Leupold 4.5x14x40
    180 Scirocco with Re25, Fed215M primers
    200 AB with Retumbo, Fed215M primers

    If I built another today:

    Custom action (likely a Borden, BAT, or Stiller)
    27" #4 Hart or Schneider (5P) if button barrel
    27" #5 Krieger, or #4 Rock or Bartlien if cut-rifled
    McMillan stock bedded with marine tex
    1 pound Jewel
    208 Amax, 180 Scirocco, 210 Berger Hunting, or 230 Berger Hybrid
    H1000, Retumbo, Re25, US869 or Magnum
     
  8. Coyboy

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    You need to reconsider your cartridge choice, why a 300 rum for 500 yards?
    Thats a 1000+ yard cartrige, but your going to handicap that cartirge with a 9lb rifle? MPI stock? for light weight? with an alluminum block? you need rigidity pick a rigid stock there are plenty out there that you don't need to add a lb of aluminum to to stiffen up. MPIs don't wear bipods well.

    If you set on a 30 cal or bigger because of bears then go with a 300 win mag, or a 300 wsm you can easily drive the 190's to 3000 fps.
    If bears were no concern I would do magnum 7mm of one variety. None of these cartridges are under powered for 500 yard hunting. They can be made lighter and with shorter barrels.

    Build an ultra mag based cartridge cause you want to kill stuff at 1000 yards.
    Build a hunting rifle for hunting.

    A mcmillian HTG with a #4 barrel at 23" in 300 wsm would be about perfect for you.

    That or like what was said use your 338 win mag, with 225 accubonds, you should be killing stuff way out there.
     
  9. AJ Peacock

    AJ Peacock Well-Known Member

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    Get you a chunk of metal and set it up out at 600yds or so. Burn some powder in that 338 and have some fun. I bet your current rifle will surprise you. Then, build you another rifle, or two!

    Shooting Long Range is about having fun, if 600yds is too easy, back it off a couple. Things start getting interesting at 800yds or so gun)Wind is a bigger issue than rifle, that's for sure.

    A 300RUM is an awesome round and will get you to 1000yds easily.

    Have fun and keep us posted.

    AJ
     
  10. WildRose

    WildRose Well-Known Member

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    You can always dial down with a variable for close range shots but there's nothing you can do to get more magnification than the scope's max when suddenly presented with a shot at long or very long range.

    That being the case I'd always lean towards more magnification than I expect to generally need.

    That being said out to an absolute max of 400yds even 10x is plenty for something as small as prairie dogs.
     
  11. hoverp

    hoverp Well-Known Member

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    Agreed.
     
  12. Michael Eichele

    Michael Eichele Well-Known Member

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    1st: Welcome

    2nd: A rifle does not have to be heavy to hit game at 500 yards.

    3rd: Sounds like you have a great rifle to work with already. If you have cash available for a build, why not use it for some reloading equipment and supplies and get her really dialed in?

    The 225 ACCUBOND out of a 338 Win Mag is nothing to sneeze at for a 600 yard gun. The 225 grain ACCUBOND at 338WM velocities will get you to 700 yards in standard air with enough velocity for expansion. Take it to sheep altitude and its good to 850. For elk, even further.

    The ballistics of the 338 are very tough to beat. Why go backwards with the .30? Goats are tough as you know. The 338 puts them down quick. Elk are also tough. Again, the 338 puts them down quick. You can easily get either of them down with a 30 cal or 7mm or even smaller for that matter, but since you have a 338 already, why downsize?

    If you do decide a 30 cal is on the agenda, why make it a 300 RUM? More recoil and shorter barrel life for what you need out of a 500 yard rifle. The 300 WSM is very tough to beat for a good 30 cal where you would not be hunting to 1K or beyond.

    Do you work at the Anchorage Sportsmans Warehouse or the Wasilla location?