First "long"er range shooting yesterday, have a question

Discussion in 'The Basics, Starting Out' started by nyshooter, Sep 30, 2013.

  1. nyshooter

    nyshooter Member

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    So I had my first bout wih shooting at a distance. I was shooting a bone stock savage model 10 fp sr in .223 at 400 yards. I was getting consistent 6-8 inch groups. I fully understand that being a newbie to the long range shooting I prolly the biggest factor in my groups but was curious if this was as accurate as this rifle/round combo may be. Also my groups were 2 inches wide by 5-6 inches tall, in a rectangular shape. Is this my error?
     
  2. Broz

    Broz Well-Known Member

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    Was the sun bright and were you getting mirage on the target?

    A factory .223 with factory ammo could shoot better at 400 for sure, I would suggest you try testing some different types of ammo to see what your rifle likes best.

    One more thing that could cause this to your groups is a weak rest in the rear. Were you using a good solid sand bag under the rear?

    Another thing to check would be to make sure all the parallax was adjusted properly out of your scope.

    Jeff
     

  3. nyshooter

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    Thank you for your reply. The sun was bright, so mirage could have been a factor, I was shooting only 2 types of ammo, military ball to get me on target, then hornady polymer tipped hunting ammo, so it could have been ammo. And I did not use any rear support, so 3 out of 4 were against me. My scope, a swfa 10x fixed is not to blame though, haha. At least I can easily fix all my errors a lot cheaper than any errors in my rifle. Again, thank you.
     
  4. roninflag

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    generally- the horizontal is the wind . the vertical is the rifle/load/ bench technique. 2" horizontal would be great for me.
     
  5. nyshooter

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    Well that's good news and bad news, on one plane I did something correct, on the other I am the sole factor to blame. Although, like I said in my earlier post, I can learn on my own better technique far cheaper than accurizing my rifle.
     
  6. roninflag

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    not just you. the 10x scope would not help me. it is just one outing . need more results. 2" horizontal would be awesome for me.
     
  7. nyshooter

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    Thank you for the vote of confidence, I appreciate it. Learning this new "hobby"is fun but frustrating. Just so damn much to learn.
     
  8. WildRose

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    Give this thread a read. I think you'll find it helpful.

    http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f17/trigger-timing-training-practice-80572/

    I'm with Broz though, try several different types of ammo and pick the one that performs best for you at 100yds and then move it on out.
     
  9. nyshooter

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    Thank you very much for the link. I have an overnight shift tonight so it will give me something to read and think bout.
     
  10. 300whisper

    300whisper Well-Known Member

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    Trigger squeeze. There is an art to it that I have not mastered either. Does your rifle have the accutrigger? I adjusted my trigger to about a pound and I can put rounds on top of each other at 100 yards (with a lead sled). Also, jumping on the band wagon but try other loads or start reloading and making a load specific to your rifle. Lastly, when you mean military ball do you mean 5.56? Don't shoot that in your rifle specifically chambered for .223. I don't think it will hurt anything but 5.56 has a thicker case and operates at a higher pressure to cycle in military weapons.
     
  11. 300whisper

    300whisper Well-Known Member

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    Learning is the fun part! I love this forum for that. There are some real scholarly guys on here that can provide a solution to any issue!
     
  12. WildRose

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    Give that link above a click. We talke about the trigger pull quite a bit there.

    If you still are having problems see if you can get someone to take a video of you shooting and post it and I'm sure you'll get some good input on it.
     
  13. nyshooter

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    Whisper- I was aware of the cartridge difference, and blindly/ ignorantly went ahead and shot out of pure excitement to shoot my new rifle more.
    Trigger control is of my upmost importance from here on out. Never was a big deal shooting at 100 yards or less.
     
  14. nyshooter

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    Wildrose- that link had great info. I have a laserlyte and fully intend on using your suggestion to practice this evening. Now if only I could convince my wife to become a good ole country girl, I could be shooting more than twice a month, haha