i own a wby vanguard sub moa in 30wby. its a relaly nice gun IMO, out of the book with what ever factory ammo i bought it shot under 1in groups. all vanguards chambered in wby cases have a 24in tube and mine is a 1-10 twist. it has a bell and carlson stock on it becuase its a SUB MOA edition. meaning that when they tested the barrel action it shot under 1" and is set aside for the special setup. i bedded the stock and handload 78gr IMR4350 with 168gr barnes tipped tsx and push it around 3100fps wiht .4" and under all day. I got the gun from a gun deal had it left over from the last time he got a shippment in i pay $500 for it was a deal i thought. just my two cents its a great rifle.