I used a 6.5 PRC with Berger 140 Elite Hunter on mine this year.
There are a number of people who feel this way. The 2 holes are certainly better for blood trail but a good expanding bullet almost always kills faster than a copper bullet that blasts right through. I killed an interior grizzly with a 215 Berger and it worked just fine. I would choose a different bullet for the bigger and closer brown bearAnother fan of monos here. Two holes are always better than one in my book.
Second choice would be any of the bonded recommendations mentioned previously.
What do you think about the 190 grain CX?Not on your Christmas List……a mono!
Provide, and this is a must, you keep your impact velocities well above the manufacturers suggested minimum…..they will perform very good and are generally very accurate!
Mono's are the only bullet that my wife have used since the early/mid 90's. And we've, very successfully, used them on game much smaller than that which you will be hunting. Also, used them on stuff a bit larger than most any bear you'll likely see!
Good accuracy, very high weight retention for deep penetration.….both nice things to have on large, potentially dangerous game! Just throwing this out there! memtb
Addendum: In a 300 WM……I'd suggest something around 180 grains. In a Barnes…..a 180 gr. TTSX or a 175 LRX
I've had game get away with Bergers…and what I thought was good shot placement…within 100 yards or so. While I've killed many animals with Bergers, I've had inconsistent results. That has been my experience, hence my previous post.There are a number of people who feel this way. The 2 holes are certainly better for blood trail but a good expanding bullet almost always kills faster than a copper bullet that blasts right through. I killed an interior grizzly with a 215 Berger and it worked just fine. I would choose a different bullet for the bigger and closer brown bear
Close....but no cigar! .460 Weatherby is the right answer! Sorry...what was the question?The correct answer is 45-70
The date with an Alaskan grizzly is on my bucket list, i had custom 375 ruger made for this and Cape buffalo, wildebeast hunts. Be interested on how you do, please let us know your outfitter, etc. Thanks and good hunting.Round for Grizzly and Caribou hunt on Alaska north slope. 300 Win Mag is a given. 200gr Federal Terminal Ascent or 200gr Swift A-Frame. Both bullets have great attributes. 6 of 1, half dozen of the other? The Terminal Ascents will be the factory loads the A-Frames will be home loaded developed before trip next August. Terminal Ascents shoot great in my rifle and have better ballistic design. A-Frames are tried and true. If the A-Frame loads are not consistently accurate the rifle will make the decision for me.
What do you think about the 190 grain CX?
There doesn't have to be a hole to the outside for blood to leak. Internal bleeding kills just as well.I've had game get away with Bergers…and what I thought was good shot placement…within 100 yards or so. While I've killed many animals with Bergers, I've had inconsistent results. That has been my experience, hence my previous post.
Shot placement is always king over bullet construction when it comes to these types of conversations. I'll be the first to admit nobody is perfect and eventually you will have an errant shot…me included!. I like my chances on a bad shot/bone with a mono or bonded any day of the week over a match type bullet. Experience has led to this conclusion for me.
Lastly, you mentioned blood trails…for me it's not so much the trail (although this is a side benefit) as the actual loss of blood profusion that will kill the animal if I manage to miss a vital organ. The faster the loss of blood, the faster the animal will expire. So, in this case 2, 4, or 6 holes is better than 1, 2, or 3 holes if you were to get off 1, 2, or 3 shots on target, respectively.
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To each his own, and YMMV.
There doesn't have to be a hole to the outside for blood to leak. Internal bleeding kills just as well.
I'd suggest a velocity impact chart all the way out to what your effective max rangeThat's true enough but I'll also be using the same bullet to take a Caribou which could be at a long distance.
CheersGood advice! Having hunted several DG, you keep shooting until they are down and no longer moving, then a final shot to the neck to make certain they never move again.
Not bad advice for tough animals such as elk either. JMO&E
With respect this is not a 100% correct & where I believe @FireFlyFishing was coming fromThere doesn't have to be a hole to the outside for blood to leak. Internal bleeding kills just as well.
& id like to simplify his words somewhat ( ha this will be good from a blokes English that is terrible )Can't argue with that…..however, a bullet leaving two holes, generally means a longer wound channel…..thereby increasing the odds of breaking something that keeps the animal mobile. Whether it is death by important organ destruction, or major structural damage which may severely hinder its mobility!
Either one can be beneficial in allowing you to tell the story. How much the shooter decides to embellish the encounter is totally their choice! memtb
Exactly. This has been my experience.I'm not saying frangibles don't work as they do & good real good when the stars align but when it's bad it's real bad
Agreed. Knowing your effective range with monos is very important for optimal terminal performance.Really need specifics to nut out with more precision but it's generally why it's shown over penertration is better than under as long as we don't have penciling like features in a pill
True enough. However, as you mentioned previously, over penetration produces better blood trails. The three separate experiences where I lost animals with Bergers, the animals took off without a blood trail. In all three cases there was no snow making matters worse. I'm not the worst tracker by any means, but I scoured the county side only to be left empty handed. Awful feeling. The last loss was a really nice bull elk. That did it for me. Three strikes and Berger was out.There doesn't have to be a hole to the outside for blood to leak. Internal bleeding kills just as well.