338 snipetac???

Discussion in 'Extreme Long Range Hunting & Shooting (ELR)' started by vikingsniper, Jan 28, 2014.

  1. vikingsniper

    vikingsniper Well-Known Member

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    What is wrong with this cartridge. On midway the bertram 408 and 375 chey brass is actually about the same price as lapua and 338 norma brass (per 100). Most guys have given me alot of good reviews on the bertram brass so far (the newer stuff anyway). Dont know who makes the brass on cheytacs website but its only 2.15 a piece

    Barrel life is a concern but cant one just use mild loads and replicate lapua performance? I am just looking to get close to 1000 rounds out of the barrel anyway. Barrels arent that expensive when talking about spending 4-5k on a rifle.

    Just another question, why is everyone improving the shoulder. I dont like fireforming as i believe it takes too much time and barrel life. Do you really gain alot of fps in that huge case by improving the shoulder?

    Im ignorant when it comes to the cartridge but i want to learn everything i can about it.

    Lastly, everytime i bring this topic up in other forums people always mention how immensely heavy the rifle will be but as long as i can keep it under 18-20lbs that would be fine with that. I would appreciate the extra weight because of the recoil.

    So am i crazy for wanting one of these trackless tanks?
     
  2. HuntFarther

    HuntFarther Well-Known Member

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    I have heard bad barrel life. I have hear a lot of 7-800 even some getting close to the 1000 rounds but have heard of 250-400 rounds as well.

    I am in the same boat as you and I have been thinking the Excalibur but cannot find anything on it. And I am not sure why. It is basically the souped up lapua. Sends the 300 bergers around 3100 with that 115 grains of powder instead of the snipetac at 3250-3300 with 145 grains.

    No matter how you look at this gun it is not for shooting gophers and groups every weekend. It is a really long range killing machine. As far as weight most I hear are running them in the 16-18 pound range. And trying to stay under 16 so if you wanted to bring it to Idaho.
     

  3. vikingsniper

    vikingsniper Well-Known Member

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    I still believe 1000 is a reasonable hope for barrel life. Ive had my little 308 for about a year now and ive but about 400 rounds through it so im not a very high volume shooter and if i were, i would go with a 6.5 or a 7mm of some kind. I dont know why ive suddenly caught an interest for this round. My aim is 3200fps with the 300smk or otm's:)
     
  4. HuntFarther

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    They will do that all day long on a light load.
     
  5. vikingsniper

    vikingsniper Well-Known Member

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    Thats what i was hoping for. I figured bertram brass would be outragiously priced as well but its price is actually lower (from cheytac they are 2.15 a piece) than lapua cases. With the lighter loads i think one could get atleast 5 or 6 loads out of the cases before starting over. With 6 reloads a case the price would be around 1.50$ per round which is pretty damn good considering thats cheaper than buying match 308 ammo.

    The weight issue isnt a bigdeal. Most guys pack a 20lb backpack where ever they go and then complain about hiking miles upon miles witb a 15lb rifle on top of that. When i hunt i usually bring a knife, 2 bottles of water, my rifle, and whatever will go in my pockets. A 16lb rifle isnt really something im worried about. I dont live in harsh conditions like the rockies or some strange frontier (haha) most of the time i dont half to walk over a half a mile when i hunt and walk even less when i am plinking.what makes them so heavy anyway? The extra 2 inches of receiver? The dbm?

    Thanks everyone
     
  6. 4xforfun

    4xforfun Well-Known Member

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    If you are going to reduce loads to gain BBL life, why not just build a regular lapua, or and Edge?
     
  7. sp6x6

    sp6x6 Well-Known Member

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    What are you hunting and what range to feel need for cheytac type case.The smaller 338 mentioned are still considered super mags in 338.Norma,ultra,edge,lapua,Allen and more.There is nothing I would feel under gunned with. Compared to your 308 they are monsters with 300 gr bullets.Have you crunched rocks with them to see the power.They all over 100 grain capacity.The 338 AM pushes 265 to 3500 and 300 gr to 3300-3400.Its in a league of its own. A guy on here has made hits to 3000+ with Norma and many kills on here to 1500 with the above mentioned.I have bench rest buds that don't shoot antelope under 1000 and use there bench light 300 wsm
     
  8. vikingsniper

    vikingsniper Well-Known Member

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    There isnt a "need", but a norma pushes a 300gr bullet at about 2775 or so, and the snipe tac pushes 3300...thats a big jump in velocity. Thats what has caught my interest, not a need, just an intrest. Why does anyone NEED a 50bmg. Hell if i could afford one, i would have one. The 375 is actually more attractive to me but the lack of "economical" bullets have turned me away from thinking its a reasonable build...i love bergers too much. Ive never shot anything based on a cheytac case so that would be exciting. I dont hunt anything the REQUIRES a 338 anything but that doesnt mean i wouldnt pull the trigger because i had TOO much power:D
     
  9. HuntFarther

    HuntFarther Well-Known Member

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    There is no need that is not the point. You just want something else or to push the big bullets faster is my case for ease of long range shooting and hunting.
     
  10. bbw

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    I have a 338 Snipetac and I am very happy with it. Contact Dave Viers who developed the caliber and you will get the very best advice. He can also supply fireformed cases and dies etc. He makes good quality job for reasonable prices.

    VIERSCO.COM
     
  11. ELR Researcher

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    1. Expect Berger to release a 375 this year - consider the 375 Allen Xpress (based on the 338 LM) and save both weight and money.

    2. Nitride the barrel and HbN the projectiles - for added velocity and barrel life.

    IMHO you describe having fun with something different.

    Enjoy!
     
  12. ishootkittens

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    This is a stupid question I'm sure, but how will he save money by going to a 375. If anything their 375 bullets are going to be more expensive, and brass will be just as expensive and the extra powder in those allen mags hold will run up costs slowly (I would think)?
     
  13. ELR Researcher

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    isk

    Reading the OP's post, I'm not seeing any "major" concern about ammo economics. The OP noted an interest in Bergers. Bergers being cheaper than solids and - presumably - Bergers are in his price range.

    He also noted an interest in 375s.

    Yes, certainly, 375 Bergers will be more expensive than .338 Bergers. That noted, consider the buyer's remorse if, once he has his .338 barrel on order or purchased, Berger releases the .375.

    Its all FYI.
     
  14. vikingsniper

    vikingsniper Well-Known Member

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    Ill just shoot the barrel out in a couple of months anyway haha