28 nosler with 195 vs 300 win mag with 215 hybrid

I personally think those using the 180/195 just are not too willing to step up and say so except for the earlier in this post bear report. Nobody likes to tell about the one that got away after i hit it! If would be fine to say how well the 7mm does in performance on paper,but lacks game stopping like the .30 Jeff (Broz) did an excellent job on his .300WM report on game, be nice to see an actual .284 180/190 for comparison ? It is not like there are many other 7mm bullet choices, i did here someone say they can hardly wait for Hornady to come out with heavier ELD-X.?
Broz also said he does not own any 7mm anything anymore.

Agreed!
 
The issues I have heard with the 195 are related to terminal performance - failure to expand etc. and guys ended up with multiple shots needed on elk and deer. Can anyone shed any light on this? I'd go 195 in a 28 nosler all day if that bullet had the killing reputation Broz established with the 215.

The issue with the Berger bullets is the hollow point. For them to expand properly the meplat needs to be trimmed uniformly or at the very least the hollow point needs to be drilled out slightly to allow it to open up properly.
 
How many people shooting a 30 cal like to talk about 'the one that got away'. It doesn't matter what cartridge/bullet you choose to shoot...if you shoot poorly you can loose an animal no matter what you shoot. I have heard stories of guys loosing animals shooting a 338. And i have personally shot deer with a .22-250 and 36 grain bullet that never took a step. It's all in learning your equipment and placing the shot where it needs to be. If 2 animals are killed, one with a 7mm and another with a 300, which one is more dead?
 
I'm a long time 7stw shooter so my vote is 28 Nosler. My son shoots a 300 Win but with Hornady bullets so apples and oranges there.

Too many 28 Nosler rifle owners think the 28 is a 7Rum and load it as such. The 28 will never reach 7Rum velocities within safe pressures. I read all the time about 28's running 31-3200 fps safely, so if you think 71-75K is a safe pressure then go for it.

I do all of my initial load testing with an Oehler 43PBL which measures pressures with a strain gauge. This initial data will then be used for loading other rifles of the same chambering. The only time I go back to the 43 is when twist rate is different. My pet loads with the 195 run around 3000 fps with RL33 in a 26" bbl. My hunting load is retumbo at 2950ish.
 
All though I love my 284s, the 300 WM and a 215 looks like bad dude. Personally,JMO, I will probably not do another nosler for myself, Their load data is skewed for their cartridges and once you realize it you could be hurting the rifle. Its not magic, there is no magic volume to reduce pressure on one particular set up you cant do for another. I can shoot my 7 Ultra AI with the 195 all the way up to 3300 fps but brass is two and done, just like my 28 was at 3150, it ended up running at 3050 sorta sane. to be honest I switched to the 175 and 180 Berger with it to get it a bit flatter then sold it. My bro in law shoots a 300 rum with the 215 and it is a bad mofo. I really like the fact of the different routes you could take with the 300WM for brass and bullets, and factory loads for that matter.
 
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Not every one can get the pressure out of these cases. If you find the right smith you can get to 3200 in the 28 with a 26" barrel. Theres a node around 3180 fps. Its hard on brass but the bolt lift is normal. If you want that performance figure on 5 or 6 loadings before the primer pocket loosen.
 
I know that this may take us off subject slightly. But it is in the original post. So, I am a little confused with the performance issues with Berger? I have heard from many people that they just blow up on the hide and never penetrate. I have also read here that they do not expand and just blow right through the animal. For you guys using the Berger bullets, what are you seeing? Do they blow up on the hide or pinhole? I have several boxes of the 195 EOL's sitting on my reloading bench ready for a custom 7-300 Win and a 28 Nosler. Just wondering if its worth trying them. I have always ran the 180 Hybrid and love them. But always like to try new things.
I shot a 140 lb. Doe last season with a 22--250AI an a 75 grain Berger VLD with a muzzle velocity of 3643 fps. Deer was at 251 yards. Even though there labeled not for hunting. They work perfectly every time. At least in my experience. Picture is off side rib cage
 

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How many people shooting a 30 cal like to talk about 'the one that got away'. It doesn't matter what cartridge/bullet you choose to shoot...if you shoot poorly you can loose an animal no matter what you shoot. I have heard stories of guys loosing animals shooting a 338. And i have personally shot deer with a .22-250 and 36 grain bullet that never took a step. It's all in learning your equipment and placing the shot where it needs to be. If 2 animals are killed, one with a 7mm and another with a 300, which one is more dead?

i agree BUT some bullets do perform better than others. i ran alot of scenars and SKM and had mixed results on 243,6.5 and 30-06AI with several bullet weights also, on groundhogs to antelope to whitetail , learned enough NOT to use them anymore, do they kill eventually,YES. the ones that get away are as important as the ones that run or DRT drop right there,
Ultimately as hunters we should strive for the DRT concept, is my point.
not to bash the 7 anything. It looks to me like the 180VLD is a proven killer but the OP asked about the 195 7Nosler vs 300WM 215Hybrid.??? with actually killing results.

PASHooter20BR
Hunting bullet to 1000 yards, deer, antelope and elk. Which is the choice? A lot of proven data on 215 but have heard of some performance issues with 195? 195 wins ballistically for wind drift. Any help is appreciated in my decision.

so far the 195 is not getting a glowing report as i see?
 
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I read through this thread 2 times.
I'll probably **** people off.
Here's my 2 cents.
First off I'm throwing the B.S. flag on Bob Becks plug for Berger bullets as the ONLY bullet for 50-1000 yard shots.
Yes I've had personal, first hand, experience with this.
Having said that the majority of my rifles have been switched to the Hornady ELD line of bullets. So far I'm impressed with them.
Now to the header of this thread.
195's vs.215's.
I would go with the 215's if your stuck on Berger.
Reason being that the 195's can be unpredictable if extra measures aren't taken. Such as opening up the hollow point cavities to allow expansion to take place. Yes I've had them pin hole through before. If A #60 drill bit is used with a pin vise to open and verifying the cavity they open reliably.
215's are seat and shoot. No special work needed.
Just my 2 cents
 
I also cannot get anything over about 3050 safely. I'll see if I can get a picture of my notes up here. This is with 195's. I have a working load at about 3030 but I have since switched to the 180 eldm's. I haven't finished load work with those though because of bad weather.
 

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