Wow lots of different opinions ha, Im not a big guy, I'm average and 19, I can hit a clay at 650 yards 3-4 out of 5 shots. And elk are tough, Ive put a round through one rifht in the shouder and lungs and it ran 200+ yards. I want a clean dropper that reaches out. Keeping these in mind a couple questions come up. I enjoy shooting my rifles a lot and also there is a rifle I really want that comes in 7mm rem mag, 300 win mag and 300 ultra mag, I want to know the most cost effective way to reduce the recoil of these rounds, any ideas?
7mm rem mag vs. 270 win
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royinidaho
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My 338 RUM is a Rem 700 Sporter (light barrel) 9 pounds loaded and ready to go. I use it single shot. Shot the 300 gr Berger @ 2735 FPS MV. Well under MOA @ 1200 yds.
My grandson, 15 yo and 115 pounds shoots it all afternoon prone off of bipod(20 shots) w/no adverse effects.
It has a Holland QD brake. It moves about an inch back then pulls forward. I would compare recoil experience to an 11 pound 270 Win shooting 140s @ 3200. More push than punch.
Id recommend one of Jim See's Muscle Brakes for even greater reduction in felt recoil.
I swapped the wood stock for a tupperware one for weight reduction. Less weight translates into less felt recoil with a brake.
I can spot all shots, unless the shooting position is really bad, from 200 yds on out. The scope never leaves the target which says the recoil is straight back.
Its a fine carry rig with 1200 yard capability if the shooting position is a good one.
My grandson, 15 yo and 115 pounds shoots it all afternoon prone off of bipod(20 shots) w/no adverse effects.
It has a Holland QD brake. It moves about an inch back then pulls forward. I would compare recoil experience to an 11 pound 270 Win shooting 140s @ 3200. More push than punch.
Id recommend one of Jim See's Muscle Brakes for even greater reduction in felt recoil.
I swapped the wood stock for a tupperware one for weight reduction. Less weight translates into less felt recoil with a brake.
I can spot all shots, unless the shooting position is really bad, from 200 yds on out. The scope never leaves the target which says the recoil is straight back.
Its a fine carry rig with 1200 yard capability if the shooting position is a good one.
When I put a Shilen tube on my 7mag, I had them install a brake and give me a cap thread protector too. The rifle has a pachmyer pad on it. Turned out I didn't need the brake. So on my recent 7mag build I did not have a brake put on it. 7mag is manageable for recoil. I get flinchy with the 300 RUM w/o a brake, so I keep it on.
backwoods83
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The 7mm rem mag is plenty, practice more, cannons wound just as easy from operator error. 7mm rem mag 180 berger 3050, 300wm 210 berger 2900, 338wm 250smk 2750, do the math and see what hits the hardest. You could go 300rum if you like significantly reduced barrel life and crap brass. And yes I own a 338 edge but its only because I can, sometimes it is overkill and the brass is crap.
The 7RM is definitely a step up from a 270.
If you are looking at a dedicated elk hunting rifle look at the 300 mag or 300rum.
With the same velocity the 270 shoots a 140-150, the 7RM a 160, and the 300 a 190-210.
That being said a 300 isn't going to drop elk on the spot without perfect shot placement any better than a 270...the elk will probably go a lot shorter distance though and leave a blood trail.
That being said I usually hunt elk with a 270WSM.
If you are looking at a dedicated elk hunting rifle look at the 300 mag or 300rum.
With the same velocity the 270 shoots a 140-150, the 7RM a 160, and the 300 a 190-210.
That being said a 300 isn't going to drop elk on the spot without perfect shot placement any better than a 270...the elk will probably go a lot shorter distance though and leave a blood trail.
That being said I usually hunt elk with a 270WSM.
What a load of crap.
A 7mm Remington is plenty fine for elk. I have personally witnessed elk taken at over 900 yards with one. If you want more punch move up to a 300 magnum. Don't let anyone tell you which one to get. They all work fine. You have to pay for it so you decide. Remember that the heavier the bullet, the harder the recoil. Shooting well always beats shooting harder.
I'm not a 7 mag fan. They are popping primers and not getting near the velocity of the 7 STW. I have been very impressed with 7mm 180 gr vld's. It takes 210 gr 30 cals to match the bc.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFGROcyLwpM]Goat shooting with the 7mm RUM and 180gr Berger VLD 3180fps Part 3 - YouTube[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFGROcyLwpM]Goat shooting with the 7mm RUM and 180gr Berger VLD 3180fps Part 3 - YouTube[/ame]
Amen! It seems to be a popular belief elk are nearly bullet proof. Shoot what you enjoy! They all kill effectively.
ff6602
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Thanks to the guys that don't make us feel like fools for wanting 7mm rem mags.
I spent a year researching my dicision; I'm 5'10 and 150# on a good day.
7RM is all the more I want to handle. With practice and a little tweaking here and there I'm confident I'll reach the 800 yrd mark.gun)
I spent a year researching my dicision; I'm 5'10 and 150# on a good day.
7RM is all the more I want to handle. With practice and a little tweaking here and there I'm confident I'll reach the 800 yrd mark.gun)
I am on the side that you don't need a 338 to shoot elk with.
Not sure why there is always a push on this site for the 338's, but under 1000 yards anything from a 264 WM shooting the 140VLD's up to a 300 WM shooting the 190 VLD's will get the job done.
If you don't want to deal with a brake or the recoil of the 338, get a 7RM and shoot the 168 VLD at 3000fps+
Not sure why there is always a push on this site for the 338's, but under 1000 yards anything from a 264 WM shooting the 140VLD's up to a 300 WM shooting the 190 VLD's will get the job done.
If you don't want to deal with a brake or the recoil of the 338, get a 7RM and shoot the 168 VLD at 3000fps+
I have never had a 7mag pop a primer in 25 years. Are you saying that this is something inherent to the cartridge?
I have a buddy in Tucson. He's been guiding for 20 plus years. He told me the number one rifle used by his hunters on elk is a 270 and they've never lost an elk.
A 338 is a very good bullet/cal/diameter, but not needed for elk.
A 338 is a very good bullet/cal/diameter, but not needed for elk.
I don't mean to be rude, but isn't what I said pretty simple?
I'm not a 7 mag fan. They are popping primers and not getting near the velocity of the 7 STW.
I bought a 7stw when it was still a wild cat. I bought a nice chrono to do load development. I had an older friend that loved and bragged about his pre-64 7 mag. So he reloaded up a bunch of test rounds slightly warmer than max out of the reloading books. then it was off to the bench and chrono. That is where my faith in reloaded books came apart. Overly optimistic!!!!!!!!!!
So we spent some real time with 7mag trying all the newest slower powderstrying to get some speed out of a 175 gr. hunting BT bullet. Well he would go back to the reloading bench and attemp to match the speed of a 7 stw. THE 7 MAG ATCUALLY POPPED SOME PRIMERS FROM OVER PRESSURE AND STILL COULDN'T GET WITHIN A 100+ FPS OF A 7STW WITH NO PRESSURE SIGNS!
It is the same thing of the guy bragging about the 30-06 or 300 win mag and shooter "B" pulls out a 300 rum or a 30-378 W The little 30's will be popping primers and not getting the speed of mild loaded ultra mag.
this is not a difficult concept is it?
for the record I'm 5"10 and 168 lbs. I think being given a 12 gauge when I was 11 years old and 65 lbs just got me used to "This is how it is, Cowboy up!" Latter on when I got to go hunting elk with the MEN at age 14 the 30-06 I was handed had less recoil than my short light weight 12 gauge shooting mag rounds. So when some *** hole thought he would have a laugh and handed me a a 338 thinking it would kick my *** because I might have only been 110 lbs wet while at elk camp. I just put his gun across a log and shot it 1/2 a dozen times. All the guys were laughing at him and calling him the *****! Shooting is in your head.
