montana_native
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What is the biggest, best shooting round I can make work in a 110 Savage Magnum long action gun? Is the 338 RUM a decent round? It sounds like it's fading in popularity though...
Thanks.
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gamedog
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338 RUM would be no problem on that action.
The 338 RUM is a great round.
I don't know if it's fading or not, but it is shadowed by the 338 Edge.
Both perform very well.
Check out AJ Peacocks 338 Edge on a Savage action.
The 338 RUM is a great round.
I don't know if it's fading or not, but it is shadowed by the 338 Edge.
Both perform very well.
Check out AJ Peacocks 338 Edge on a Savage action.
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If its set up with the conventional shoulder like the Remington you can chamber it in any caliber that the Rem 700 can handle.
The 338 Edge is a 300 RUM necked up to 338 , it has a bit more power than the regular 338 RUM.
The 338 Lapua is another great 338 round and the Ackley improved version adds to that performance , with a 28"-30" barrel you should be able to get 3000 fps with the 300 gr Sierra Match King.
The caliber choice has little to do with the rounds accuracy ,I've seen the little 6mmBR necked up to shoot 338 bullets and had steller accuracy all the way up to the 338-408 wildcats , as long as the chamber is cut well and your reloading process is correct then the weapon should shoot fine.
The 338 Edge is a 300 RUM necked up to 338 , it has a bit more power than the regular 338 RUM.
The 338 Lapua is another great 338 round and the Ackley improved version adds to that performance , with a 28"-30" barrel you should be able to get 3000 fps with the 300 gr Sierra Match King.
The caliber choice has little to do with the rounds accuracy ,I've seen the little 6mmBR necked up to shoot 338 bullets and had steller accuracy all the way up to the 338-408 wildcats , as long as the chamber is cut well and your reloading process is correct then the weapon should shoot fine.
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Here is the link to AJ's Edge , looks to have a barrel nut also , it is a larger shank though to that does add a little bit of extra beef arround the case , but if its setup with a conventional shoulder then it doesen't matter.
http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f53/savage-338-edge-wow-does-shoot-34039/
http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f53/savage-338-edge-wow-does-shoot-34039/
geargrinder
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Coolest part is that he did it in a short action.
James, is there really more beef around the chamber in a large shank? The OD of the action and barrel nut are the same either way. Large shank has a thicker barrel tennon and a thinner nut. Small shank has thinner tennon but a thicker nut. Seems to me that they are about equal.
Not trying to start an argument. I'd just like to hear your opinion.
James, is there really more beef around the chamber in a large shank? The OD of the action and barrel nut are the same either way. Large shank has a thicker barrel tennon and a thinner nut. Small shank has thinner tennon but a thicker nut. Seems to me that they are about equal.
Not trying to start an argument. I'd just like to hear your opinion.
montana_native
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I didn't realize the 338 Lapua would work. Is a different bolt required?
Thanks for the info.
Thanks for the info.
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The same bolt works with the Lapua case you ust need a differant bolt head.
As for their being more meat around the chamber , the standard Savage has a barrel OD of 1.062" (or realy close) and the large shank has an OD of 1.125" so yes their is roughly 1/16" more meat around it , yeas both have nuts and the nuts end up having the same OD just in front of the action. I personaly feel that the material added by the barrel nut doesen't ad any strength to the chamber area as the threads are never a very good tight 3A fit so their will be some room for the barrel to expand a bit before the barrel nut starts to take up any of the pressure , sme goes for the action threads. When the barrel is fitted like a Remington's this allows a full 1.25" of meat around the chamber. When an action is trued the threads are recut to allow perfect alignment with the bolt race then the threads are cut on the barrel shank just slightly over sized so that the action can be test fitted as the final threads are finished this allows for the best possible thread fit and maximum pressure.
The remington 700 is threaded 1.062"x16 TPI , the Savage is threaded 1.062"x20 TPI making it have shallower threads than the Rem so technicaly the Savage reciever desgine is stronger than the Remingtons as it allows more meat in the action walls. The Savage bolt lugs are generaly a little thicker than the Remingtons also adding yet more strength plusss the Savage seat the shell case a little farther into the barrel due to not having a bolt nose countersink like the Remington.
All that said I know a guy that had a close call with a Lawton action shooting a wildcat on the Lapua case , the Lawton is the same spec as the Remington and this action was SS which is not as strong as a chorme moly (blued) action ,the case (7mm-338Lapua) was mistakenly loaded with a powder thats ALOT faster than whats normaly used , the end result was a 180gr Berger run out at neer 3600fps , a bolt locked down and a bulged barrel ahead of the recoil lug , the barrel was removed and the action showed no sign of damage and lives to fight another day , the barrel was ruined. The load was run through the "Quick Load" program and was said to have a pressure over 150,000 PSI , that double what the factory specs are and I think the only whay that this can be done is with a big mistake in the powder choice.
In short I think that the Savage is perfectly safe for the Lapua case if its put together properly , but that goes for any action.
As for their being more meat around the chamber , the standard Savage has a barrel OD of 1.062" (or realy close) and the large shank has an OD of 1.125" so yes their is roughly 1/16" more meat around it , yeas both have nuts and the nuts end up having the same OD just in front of the action. I personaly feel that the material added by the barrel nut doesen't ad any strength to the chamber area as the threads are never a very good tight 3A fit so their will be some room for the barrel to expand a bit before the barrel nut starts to take up any of the pressure , sme goes for the action threads. When the barrel is fitted like a Remington's this allows a full 1.25" of meat around the chamber. When an action is trued the threads are recut to allow perfect alignment with the bolt race then the threads are cut on the barrel shank just slightly over sized so that the action can be test fitted as the final threads are finished this allows for the best possible thread fit and maximum pressure.
The remington 700 is threaded 1.062"x16 TPI , the Savage is threaded 1.062"x20 TPI making it have shallower threads than the Rem so technicaly the Savage reciever desgine is stronger than the Remingtons as it allows more meat in the action walls. The Savage bolt lugs are generaly a little thicker than the Remingtons also adding yet more strength plusss the Savage seat the shell case a little farther into the barrel due to not having a bolt nose countersink like the Remington.
All that said I know a guy that had a close call with a Lawton action shooting a wildcat on the Lapua case , the Lawton is the same spec as the Remington and this action was SS which is not as strong as a chorme moly (blued) action ,the case (7mm-338Lapua) was mistakenly loaded with a powder thats ALOT faster than whats normaly used , the end result was a 180gr Berger run out at neer 3600fps , a bolt locked down and a bulged barrel ahead of the recoil lug , the barrel was removed and the action showed no sign of damage and lives to fight another day , the barrel was ruined. The load was run through the "Quick Load" program and was said to have a pressure over 150,000 PSI , that double what the factory specs are and I think the only whay that this can be done is with a big mistake in the powder choice.
In short I think that the Savage is perfectly safe for the Lapua case if its put together properly , but that goes for any action.
geargrinder
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Thanks James for your explanation. The reason I ask is that I have heard of the large shank nuts splitting on RUM actions. I have not heard of the same problem with the small shank nuts. I think that the Lapua camber would be even worse since it is a fatter case making the surrounding metal thinner.
Do you know of anyone altering Savage bolt heads for the Lapua? There can't be many of the Lazzeroni bolt heads around.
Do you know of anyone altering Savage bolt heads for the Lapua? There can't be many of the Lazzeroni bolt heads around.
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I'm not gonna say 100% for sure but my first call would be to Nathan Dagley "308nate" here as he is the smith I use and has built alot of guns on the Savage action , next would be Kirby Allen "Fiftydriver" here I know he has built alot of Savages also and I think he has done some of his wildcats with the Lapua case in them as well.
If it were me and I was going to go through the effort and cost of finding and buying Lapua brass I'd have the action barreled with a shoulder like the Rem does , their will be a little cost increase with the install as opposed to ordering a "prefit" barrel but you will end up with a far supperior fit and function.
If it were me and I was going to go through the effort and cost of finding and buying Lapua brass I'd have the action barreled with a shoulder like the Rem does , their will be a little cost increase with the install as opposed to ordering a "prefit" barrel but you will end up with a far supperior fit and function.
montana_native
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Thanks for all of the replies.
I think I need to talk myself out of the Lapua. The cost of the brass would make me feel guilty shooting it. I had a 338-378 Weatherby a few years back. I loved how it would smoke the plates we had layed out at 1000 yards. I really just want something that can hit a 2" thick steel plate with authority at 1000-1500 yards and allow me to (somewhat) affordably put a lot of rounds through it. The 338 Ultra Mag might be just what I want.
I think I need to talk myself out of the Lapua. The cost of the brass would make me feel guilty shooting it. I had a 338-378 Weatherby a few years back. I loved how it would smoke the plates we had layed out at 1000 yards. I really just want something that can hit a 2" thick steel plate with authority at 1000-1500 yards and allow me to (somewhat) affordably put a lot of rounds through it. The 338 Ultra Mag might be just what I want.
