Wilson vs Redding vs Forster?

Discussion in 'Equipment Discussions' started by SpikeSniper, Mar 11, 2012.

  1. SpikeSniper

    SpikeSniper Active Member

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    Having trouble with my RCBS FL sizing die overworking necks on my no turn Nosler 260 brass and creating doughnuts. Looking at upgrading to one of the bushing dies, and I am leaning to the Wilson as I already use a Wilson seater. Any input?
     
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    Trickymissfit Well-Known Member

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    use all of them, and your gonna have the doughnut with any of them. When you neck size you simply push the brass back. I like the Forsters when it comes to a full length die due to the way they setup their sizer. But a Redding will also work. THe best seater out there is a Forster. I also load with Wilson dies a lot, and the doughnut's gonna be something you expect. Their seaters is very good, but really not all that much better than the Forster (or the Redding copy of the Forster). What you need right now is a K&M tool that will remove the doughnut. Also remember that a Wilson full length die needs a heavy duty press to work in that case size. I use the small K&M at the range, and it wouldn't begin to full length size those cases.
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    I appreciate the input trickymisfit. Oddly, my doughnuts developed after one sizing, and I was full length sizing with a standard RCBS die. I am only bumping the shoulder a few thousandths, and I retired some Rem brass after 12 firings using the same die settings with no problems. Did a lot of research online and got several hits with similar results using the Nosler brass, not sure why. Maybe too soft? I reamed the necks with a Wilson reamer, polished them, and got my groups back to normal. All the same, I ordered some Lapua brass and I think I'm gonna go with the Redding Type S match set. It seems, from my reading, that the doughnut issue is inherent to the 260, so I may have to fight it in the future.
     
  4. Trickymissfit

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    just pulling straws out of the stack, but you might want to take a look at the O.D. verses the I.D. on a couple fired cases that have not been resized. Then do the samething after running them thru the die. I'm kinda wondering if your not "over sizing" the brass somehow or another. If your using a bushing, you need to check the amount of tension after seating the bullet. Three to four thousandths is about right, and anything tighter means the neck is in a very tight bind going thru the sizer. I don't shoot a 6.5 anything anymore, and the closest thing to what you have is a 6mm Remington. I ran the cases thru a Wilson die at the range about six or eight times than ran them the a Forster full length die. I never saw a doughnut! In my 6/250AI I will get a doughnut after about five or six firings, but I also associate that with the 40 degree shoulder angle.
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    Thanks Gary. I'll do some measuring on some of my cases and compare. It will be interesting to see if the Lapua brass has similar results. I should get it today. I noticed that the ball extractor on the RCBS die really binds when I retract the case and pull the neck out, so I cleaned it up with some steel wool and a drill. Seems to be sizing more freely now. One thing I am figuring out is that the further into this long range accuracy game you get, things become exponentially more complicated!