shot these this morning just as it was getting light . neither were long range the first was 200 yards the scond 150 was hunting in an area very populated with roe deer and they are needing thinned out. shot the first one and as i was going to get it another one apeared so shot iut also.both are heart lung shots it was too windy for head shots with the little 6mmppc.bullet was 70 grain nosler ballistic tips both deer droped on the spot. my rifle cooper 6mmppc with pheonix stock with leoupould 6 to 20 varmint scope. these are the best 3 roe bucks i shot from last year.