not long range,but need some dope on 30-30 win?

Discussion in 'Reloading' started by 30-06 boy, Feb 6, 2008.

  1. 30-06 boy

    30-06 boy Well-Known Member

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    my wife wants to shoot with me some.she just loves the "old cowboy" guns.i happen to have a old win 94/30-30.want to shoot some 110 grainers out of it slow.so it wont make her gun shy too.i have never loaded 30-30 win.what would be a good powder to try in the 30-30? thanks fellas.jason
     
  2. landcbeitner

    landcbeitner Well-Known Member

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    4064 and Varget will work.
     

  3. Buffalobob

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    I do not shoot a 30-30 but I have some old reloading manuals and the Lyman 45th edition lists the following load as the slowest with the low pressure.


    IMR4064 ----31.0 grains----2168fps------27,000CUP


    Recoil is about bullet weight and velocity versus rifle weight, so a slow light bullet is low recoil. However, the manual says the 110 Sierra RN is very inaccurate in their test rifle.

    The worst trouble I ever got into with relaoding was with reduced loads so be careful.
     
  4. royinidaho

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  5. Buffalobob

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    What part of that do you not understand?
     
  6. Buffalobob

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    The issue with the 110 RN is still the same as it was 30 years ago when I was using them - no cannelure. A person who reloads for a tubular magazine rifle should know what that means when they see it and what precautions to take.

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  7. Winchester 69

    Winchester 69 Well-Known Member

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    Hodgdon has a "Youth" loads section on their website. You might check there. I would think that 4895 or SR-4759 would be choices here.
     
  8. Weda

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    I would suggest as mentioned pick a bullet with a canelure.

    The Sierra 125 gr isn't a bad choice, close to your desired weight without too much of an increase.

    Here is QL for it. Keep in mind try to choose a powder that has close to 100% burn rate.

    HTML:
    Cartridge          : .30-30 Win. (SAAMI)
    Bullet             : .308, 125, Sierra HPFN 30-30 2020
    Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.550 inch or 64.77 mm
    Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch or 558.8 mm
    Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
    Matching Maximum Pressure: 42000 psi, or 289 MPa
    or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 100 %
    These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
    C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
    loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
    that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
    and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
    USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
    86 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
    Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                          %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
    ---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
    Winchester 748                      95.7     37.9     2.46    2600    93.0    42000    7833   1.128  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    Hodgdon BL-C2                       98.8     39.7     2.57    2600    91.7    42000    8042   1.134  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    Hodgdon H322                        95.8     34.3     2.22    2585    96.4    42000    7330   1.129  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    Hodgdon H335                        90.6     36.4     2.36    2581    95.2    42000    7516   1.134  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    Alliant Reloder-10x                 93.0     32.3     2.09    2575    99.0    42000    7020   1.148  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    Ramshot X-Terminator                90.9     34.7     2.25    2571    96.2    42000    7310   1.141  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    Ramshot TAC                         96.0     37.1     2.40    2566    92.0    42000    7551   1.138  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    Accurate 2015                       95.1     33.9     2.20    2559    98.4    42000    7004   1.155  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    Vihtavuori N530                     95.6     35.4     2.30    2558    92.0    42000    7413   1.140  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    Accurate 2460                       94.5     37.3     2.42    2553    93.3    42000    7440   1.160  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    Alliant Reloder-12                  95.2     35.8     2.32    2551    96.4    42000    7148   1.138  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    Norma 201                           96.7     36.4     2.36    2548    92.0    42000    7463   1.160  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    Accurate 2520                      100.0     38.0     2.46    2548    93.4    38951    7683   1.177  ! Near Maximum !
    Accurate 2230                       92.5     36.5     2.37    2539    93.2    42000    7259   1.156  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    IMR 4198                            90.9     30.0     1.95    2537    99.5    42000    6392   1.130  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    IMR 3031                           100.0     34.4     2.23    2526    95.6    36358    7500   1.194  ! Near Maximum !
    PB Clermont PCL 516                100.0     39.2     2.54    2519    86.0    41348    7478   1.150  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    Vihtavuori N130                     94.9     32.7     2.12    2517    98.8    42000    6571   1.152  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    Hodgdon Benchmark                   95.1     34.5     2.24    2504    92.7    42000    6908   1.153  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    Vihtavuori N133                    100.0     33.7     2.19    2496    97.6    40445    6605   1.160  ! Near Maximum !
    Alliant Reloder-15                 100.0     36.8     2.39    2479    86.7    37164    7440   1.202  ! Near Maximum !
    IMR 4895                           100.0     35.6     2.31    2478    89.1    37964    7265   1.180  ! Near Maximum !
    Accurate 2495                      100.0     34.8     2.26    2478    96.1    34014    7532   1.268
    Vihtavuori N140                    100.0     35.4     2.29    2439    93.6    36111    6903   1.213  ! Near Maximum !
    Hodgdon H414                       100.0     39.2     2.54    2437    80.8    36455    7388   1.214  ! Near Maximum !
    Hodgdon H4895                      100.0     35.6     2.31    2425    90.3    35772    6971   1.214  ! Near Maximum !
    IMR 4320                           100.0     36.2     2.35    2424    86.0    36721    6985   1.204  ! Near Maximum !
    Hodgdon VARGET                     100.0     35.6     2.31    2408    85.7    36476    6858   1.212  ! Near Maximum !
    Hodgdon H380                       100.0     37.6     2.44    2405    83.1    35058    7153   1.236
    IMR 4064                           100.0     34.8     2.26    2381    85.6    35110    6704   1.234
    Vihtavuori N135                    100.0     33.4     2.16    2331    93.4    30110    6600   1.297
    Ramshot BigGame                    100.0     36.8     2.39    2322    82.4    31175    6928   1.283
    Winchester 760                     100.0     39.0     2.53    2315    75.3    32253    6920   1.279
    Accurate 4064                      100.0     34.4     2.23    2285    89.3    27385    6942   1.382
    Vihtavuori N550                    100.0     37.6     2.44    2275    78.5    29223    6891   1.319
     
  9. 30-06 boy

    30-06 boy Well-Known Member

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    no concerns about the pointed soft point bullets.i know thats a no-no in a tube mag.i've been shooting 110 grain speer half jackets.i am going to shoot some pointed soft points.but not through the mag.one by one into the chamber.thanks for the concern though.jason
     
  10. BHP9

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    I my opinion, the 30/30 is 'the' easiest cartridge to load for. I've found that it isn't fussy about bullets or powder.

    IMR4064 powder and I use the cheapest 170gr FP bullets I can find.:)
     
  11. Moman

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    Reduced loads

    Have you thought about trying the Remington Reduced Load ammo for this? I bought a couple boxes when my son first started shooting and they are pretty light recoil, good for beginning shooters. I forget what grain bullet they load in them, but they are available at many shops.