COBrad
Well-Known Member
No disrespect intended.He is a sponsor so please be respectful
No disrespect intended.He is a sponsor so please be respectful
Killing a ton of animals isn't everything.I'll even link the article (second time it's been posted).
Effective Game Killing
Effective game killing- How bullets kill and where to aim to ensure a fast clean kill.www.ballisticstudies.com
I find his whole argument a red herring
Yeah man when I saw that "2600 fps" number my first thought was "that sounds like Foster".Didn't realize my post would cause such a firestorm. Sorry for late reply. Got busy at work, then had an accident and fractured a bone in my right hand. Didn't realize the name of the balistician was sooo important. I was really just asking for an opinion based on your experience. I am surprised so few know anything about Nathan Foster and his website ballisticstudies.com. Nathan has killed many, many animals and has rather extensively studied how bullets kill. I am not directly quoting Nathan but I think my post is a reasonable summation of his theory about 2600fps with bullets .338" diameter and less. Nathan appears to be the real deal. I have all of his books.
I apparently had mistakenly assumed that everybody on this forum would think that I know that bullets kill. My interest in the post is in instantaneous kills.
I have read a lot about what Jim Carmichael and others have said, and it seems like a reasonable theory. But unfortunately it has no practical application to induce an instantaneous kill.
I have killed my share of big game with various calibers. I don't like tracking and I hate wounding animals. I try to hit animals broadside on the shoulder with a tough bullet. I have found that my 270 with 129g Barnes LRX handloaded to 3100fps seems to drop animals disproportionate to its caliber and weight. The solid copper bullet in my experience typically does not damage much meat but still manages to do a lot of internal damage. My 375 H&H handloaded to 2735fps with 270g TSX's also drops even large animals.
That said I have never killed an animal with my 338 Win Mag and I am well aware it is more than needed for black bear. This is hopefully a warmup for a brown bear hunt. I just want to do what I can to drop the animal. My handloads get both 225 Woodleighs and Barnes TTSX's to a little over 2800fps and 250's to no more than 2650fps. If the instantaneous kill hydrostatic/hydraulic/hydrodynamic shock drops quickly below 2600fps, the 250g bullet for my purpose is a non-starter.
I hope this clarifies my question and I appreciate the replies and maybe this clarification will result in some additional good replies.
I am not sure there is any such thing. At least the living will never know.My interest in the post is in instantaneous kills.
He is a sponsor so please be respectful
"I" respectfully disagree. "My" comment does NOT pertain to a specific event/individual, but "my" unwritten rule is respect is not a one-way street or an entitlement, regardless of LRH status (sponsor or not). As a long-time LRH member, "I" met many outstanding LRH members that gained "my" utmost respect. Now back to the scheduled program. Cheers!No disrespect intended.
Nathan seems to be expressing his thoughts, based on what he's observed. Same as the rest of us. But what Nathan observes, no matter how many animals he's shot, doesn't provide the factual data to establish the detailed conclusions that he's expressed, in my opinion. We all form opinions based on what we observe. Nathan's expressed his.I respectfully disagee with Nathan:
"The reason why game animals drop instantly with chest shots that do not directly strike the CNS, is due to hydrostatic shock transfer to the spine which passes through to the brain. A high velocity cartridge well matched to game body weights imparts over half its energy within the first 2cm of penetration, creating a shock wave. This electrical shock wave travels outwards via the rib cage until it reaches the spine and then continues through to the brain (CNS). The result is an immediate loss of consciousness as the body shuts down for diagnostics."
The "shock wave" is not "electrical" (flow of electrons). The effect of the shock wave has been demonstrated to affect brain function by reducing electrical activity in the brain as shown by EEG readings (see my previous post). Neural damage caused by the hydrostatic effect also occurs.
Big surprise, eh?Hydrodynamic shock kills, virtue signaling kills a thread. Who knew.