LR or Dots

Discussion in 'Long Range Hunting & Shooting' started by Bulldog, Dec 6, 2008.

  1. Bulldog

    Bulldog Member

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    I have a 300wsm and a 30-06. I want to have more confidence with shots to 600yds while hunting. I plan to practice alot but will always get closer if I can. Still to have the option would be nice.

    In the leupold scopes which would be better to accomplish this.

    The LR reticle or Dots??
    Can someone explain how these work?

    Thanks
     
  2. Ernie

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    I would choose lines/dashes over dots myself.
    I feel I can be more critical with a line.
    I do not have the subtension (distance between the dashes) of the LR reticle, but could get it if you are interested.
    The varmint hunter reticle would also work good in this area.

    I guess before I go any further, which Leupold optic(s) are you considering?

    Once you zero your rig, say at 200 yards, know what your muzzle velocity, ballistic coefficient of your bullet, and the approx elev & temp we put that data into a ballistic software program like Exbal or Sierra's (there is a number of good ones out there), and we will have a fairly accurate drop chart for your gun in those conditions.

    Then once we know what the subtension of the Leupold LR Reticle is, you will know what each dash will zero at (there is two of them) and hten we can also determine how far (subtension) the 2nd dash is from the plex/reticle juncture-Which results in another aiming point.

    Then you go out and see if the drop chart matches your actual results by shooting at those distances.

    This may sound confusing, but it is easier than it sounds.
    Do you have access to a Chronograph?

    A VX-3 4.5-14 with the Varmint Hunter Reticle would be nice and would get you to the distances you want to practice at.
     
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  3. JPRITT

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    either are ok... but my pick is the lepould TMR. More detailed than the dots and more useful once you learn how to use it. It can get a little complex but lepould has a "how to" manuel on their site. definately worth a look. Plenty of guys can chime in and tell you in detail how the mils work if you decide thats the way to go.

    good luck.
     
  4. 300rum

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    i owned both, mil and lines.
    the reticle with lines are more easy to aim, and your field of view is bigger than with mildot.

    i like mp-r8, and np-r1 reticles.
     
  5. snowpro440

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    check out the shephard scopes:)
     
  6. Bulldog

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    I have access to a chrony. Currently own several VX-I's which I think don't come with dots. Just the LR retical. I can sell them both and swing for the VX-II. It the VX-II honestly worth another $100??

    Never purched used optics on line before. But I see VX-II's for $230 quite often. I could also go that route?
     
  7. Bulldog

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    Ernie, You refer to "we" several times??

    Thanks for your info and reply
     
  8. 300rum

    300rum Well-Known Member

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    just see the IOR, and Nightforce scopes. are the best. i owned both scopes, and i have no complaines.
     
  9. Ernie

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    I meant if you, me or someone else got the data.
    Also, if you did not have ballistic software, myself or others would be willing to help.
     
  10. Bulldog

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    Gotcha, and was thinking that. A used VX-II is the best I can afford right now.
     
  11. Ernie

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    Can you get those with target turrets and what reticle options are possible with VX-2's?
    What magnification are you thinking about?
     
  12. sscoyote

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    He's probably referring to me most of the time since we've been hunting/shooting partners for many years now.

    I also like to apply reticles in the field for LR shooting applications. I also prefer a line stadia for more precise aiming points, but the dots r also useful enuf--especially if your goal is big game mostly. If i were setting it up i'd go for the custom dot setup that matches the trajectory of the load u will be using. The reason is that when it's set up for the conditions u will be shooting/hunting in most of the time it will be the fastest, most intuitive system that requires the least attention to detail when using it. It doesn't make any difference what reticle u are using your zeros will change with air density changes (BP, and temp.), so u may as well get a "std." that's easy to use. When u get the reticle ask Leupold to send u a schematic of it with reticle subtension stats, so that when u change loads or guns u can simply adapt the reticle to the new trajectory by running the ballistics program for the new load, and matching the drop in MOA to the reticle subtensions in MOA.

    The best way to approach this is to learn the reticle subtension vs. magnification vs. trajectory systems for LR shooting. Once u understand all these concepts it will turn a very bright light on.
    Here's a place to start-- www.ottllc.com/specialtypistols/sp20.pdf
     
  13. Ernie

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    Steve,
    I was hoping you would join in:D
     
  14. Bulldog

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    Just 3x9x40. can get LR or dots in the VX-II