Long range 45-70

Discussion in 'Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics' started by Chuck Boyer, Aug 11, 2008.

  1. Chuck Boyer

    Chuck Boyer Active Member

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    I know this won't be long range to most of you guys, but here in MS during primitive weapon season we can shoot single shot rifles with exposed hammers and be legal to hunt deer in the special early December deer season. I have a Win 1885 that is scoped and shoots very well with just about any load that is put in it. The best long range factory load of course is the Hornady Leverevolution loads, a 325 tipped spitzer at 2050. The only factory bullets that I know of are the Barns 300 and 400SSSP bullets. My handloads will push these bullets far in excess of factory(trapdoor pressure) velocities. Has anyone had any experience with these semi-spitzer original Barns bullets? Shots over 200 yards are fairly common here. The Hornady load has no problem. I would like to extend that range another 100 yards or so without too much holdover. Will the Barns bullet expand at 300 yards? I can start the 300 well over 2400fps with a safe load and the 400 will not do quite 2200.
     
  2. Varmint Hunter

    Varmint Hunter Well-Known Member

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    The Barnes 458cal spitzer bullets need more impact velocity to expand than the open nose TSX bullets. I called Barnes on this very question. I forgot what the minimum necessary velocity was but you would not have it with the 45-70 @ 300 yds.

    For specific info, give them a call.
     

  3. Tyler Kemp

    Tyler Kemp SPONSOR

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    A heavier TSX might work better, BC's are pretty high for them. But 2500 fps with the 300 grain Barnes Original might have them doing pretty well, heck with a 45 caliber hole a bunch of expansion isn't needed as much as with smaller calibers.
     
  4. jwp475

    jwp475 Well-Known Member

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    A heavy flat point hard cast needs not to expand to be extremely effective and that is my recomendation. Thye worked a century ago and they still do.
     
  5. Tyler Kemp

    Tyler Kemp SPONSOR

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    But he has a scope, only so much internal elevation.

    You might try what I do, experiment using the posts of the reticle as holdover points...such as sighting in on the top post, see where you hit with the middle of the crosshairs and the bottom post.