From Butte America

Discussion in 'Member Introductions' started by fgs, Jan 17, 2009.

  1. fgs

    fgs Member

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    Hi,

    The handle is short for Frank's Gopher Service a handle I have used on other forums. I was thinking about Berger VLD bullets and googled that and was directed to the discussion here comparing Barnes TSX and Berger VLD. I thought the points made were very good and resulted in reminding myself of the velocity factor in bullet performance that was verified in my experience and this will perhaps lead me to a modified approach to selecting hunting bullets.

    Butte is in Montana and sits by one of the largest holes in the ground in the world thanks to the worldly need for copper and the corporate drive for efficency.

    I shoot a pre 64 model 70 Featherweight that my father bought me many years ago. It shoots very well but the trigger requires gorilla pressure and it has the original bedding so that is a project I hope to take on this year. I have migrated from Sierra 165s to Barnes 165 TSXs because of the one hole groups I have shot. But I think maybe I am shooting an excessively high velocity and can easily come down a bit in velocity.

    Keeping in sync with the mission of this forum, I will relate a long distance shot I made while in high school in the early 1960's. I was hunting with another friend named Frank in the Bridgers north of Bozeman on a snowy, November day. We were on the ridge of a large canyon. Frank spotted a mule deer doe lying under a tree on the far side and suggested one of us should try a shot. He said " You will only waste a bullet if you miss." That took the pressure off of my 16 year old mind and it became a mission. I settled into some rocks and began bringing the Model 70 onto the deer. I asked Frank where I should hold and he said he was thinking on where to hold on the tree behind the deer. No conversation of how far it was was made because we both new it was a long darn way! So I adjusted my hold onto the tree above the deer. Talk about squirming around. I couldn't the hold I wanted. I had to shoot slightly up hill and the rocks would not give me enough elevation to let me get my stock high enough for my head to see though the old Weaver KV scope. I would take a breath an hold and the crosshairs would be moving all over or too low. Finally after squirming around about 2-3 minutes I thought I had a hold I could use and squeezed a shot off. I looked up and Frank says " I got tired of waiting for you and I was about ready to shoot. Did you hit it?" I looked at the deer through the scope and its head was down. I said I think so. I got up and the next time I looked across the canyon the deer was gone. We could see a dark slide mark where the deer had been and imagined it had died and slid downhill. We figured I would stay back and guide Frank if he could not find it. He had it dressed out by the time I got to the deer. The bullet hit the animal at the base of the neck; I had aimed behind the front shoulder. The distance was in the 500+ yard range. I figured I aimed about 1.5 body widths high.

    There you go. Hope to enjoy my time on the forum and learn new things.

    Frank
     
  2. ss7mm

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    Welcome to Long Range Hunting Frank.
     

  3. RockyMtnMT

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    Welcome to another MT boy. It's going to be some kinda get together when we all meet at Kirby's. :D:rolleyes: Just kidding Kirby, couldn't do that to ya.

    Steve
     
  4. FEENIX

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    Frank,

    Welcome to LRH!

    Ed
     
  5. fgs

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    Thanks for the welcome. Nice to be noticed.

    Frank
     
  6. glocker21

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    Helena here
     
  7. fgs

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    glocker21, How are you doing? I would like to hear why you joined the forum. Maybe we have similar interests.

    Frank :)
     
  8. bigngreen

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    Welcome, I'm just down I-15 at Dillon. Good bunch of guys and a ton of information on this site!!:D
     
  9. glocker21

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    I love shooting, hunting, and am the state coordinator for the Appleseed program
     
  10. Jrigby

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    Frank,
    big welcome for Missoula after spending to many years of living in the HOLE.
    Jrigby
     
  11. winmag

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    Well somebody from somewhere else has to join in.:D. I lived in Wise River for a while workin on a Registered Angus ranch. I miss it. Montana IS what America was. Im from Eastern Oregon (Central Or. now). Born and raised, but I dearly love Mt.
    Glad you found L/R/H.
     
  12. fgs

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    This is getting better and better; putting together a group of like minded Montana guys. We are all Montana minded when we love the freedom of the wide open spaces.

    I am impressed by the Appleseed effort. Thanks glocker21 for stepping up for Montana. I instructed indoor smallbore in college at MSU Bozeman and also have some experience instructing international smallbore three position shooting. I like the idea of Americans focusing on marksmanship rather than just "firepower". With all of the technical refinements in equipment we have today, 500 yds. is still a heck of a challenge and a worthy goal for anybody.

    I encourage you all to check out Appleseed Project at Appleseed Project Home

    Frank
     
  13. Chas1

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    Welcome, glad to have you here. Lots of good folks and lots of good info. Enjoy.
     
  14. yobuck

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    unlike most other guys here, i was actually in butte mt. back in the late 70s.
    your right, you cant help notice some mining has gone on there.
    back then 30x378s were only owned by a few fools wanting more horsepower out of a 30 caliber.
    problem was getting hold of some of the very few powders that made it work.
    h570 was a surplus powder that was theee powder to use.
    those that had it wouldnt part with it, and some i knew had a bunch.
    id heard some of the gun shops out west had some, and i went looking for it.
    i did find a few 1# cans in butte, and the guy also sold me a 20# keg of h870 for $1.50 a pound.
    there was one store out there called buttreys that had 4 cans on the shelf at a whopping $2.69 a pound.
    the guy was all smiles when i bought all of them. i saved some of those cans with the price tag still on them.
    you didnt mention caliber of the model 70, so i assume it was an 06.
    the kv weaver was a very early varieable 2 to 5 power. my father had a couple of them.
    your shot is pretty typical of what took place back in the 50s and 60s.
    yours ended well but frankly many didnt.

    i was a smallbore shooter in the 50s, we shot 4 position but i would have gladly given up the kneeling part.
    my younger sister became national junior girls champ.
    i quit after that as i couldnt stand having her beat me.

    this is a very informative site, you will enjoy it and gain some new knowledge.