deer bullets

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  1. j70070

    j70070 Member

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    hi,Im new here and i was just wondering i cannot decide between the 120 grain ballistic tip 3500+ fps or the 140 accubond at 3318. I am shooting a 7mm rem mag and shots will be taken out to and hopfully past 500 yards. I am thinking about the accubond for wind drift and b.c but thinking about the BT for the flat trajectory any input will help thanks.
     
  2. ss7mm

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    If it was me, and the range was 500 yards and beyond and I wanted to stick with a Nosler in a 7mm RM then I'd go with the 160 grain Accubond. Hell, I'd use it over your other two choices for everything unless you might want to use the little pill for varmints.. This is a range where you will have to compensate for bullet drop and drift, and will, hopefully, dial for the longer ranges.

    With a good laser rangefinder, distance estimation is not a problem, but wind will be a killer, and the 160 will have an even higher BC than the 140, with the resulting benefits to you.;) Go here and you can play with the numbers. http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f19/ballistics-programs-web-based-downloadable-9647/

    Under 500 the choice is up to you but beyond that, "BC is your friend".:)
     

  3. landcbeitner

    landcbeitner Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like you're on the right track. I'd try the berger VLD's first in the weights you're interested in. They will provide better trajectory and wind drift and still work well on game. They like to be seated close to the lands in my experience with them.
     
  4. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    With the ballistic tip bullet at 3,500'/sec, if you get a closer shot at a deer, say out to 200 yards, it's likely it won't hold up at those velocities. When you drive ballistic tips that fast they're as likely to fragment and not penetrate well. The Accubonds and Berger VLDs will hold together better and penetrate deeper.
     
  5. J E Custom

    J E Custom Well-Known Member

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    140gr AB or 160 AB at 100yrds to 600yrds.

    140gr or 150gr blistic tips Beyond 600yrds.

    J E CUSTOM
     
  6. j70070

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    thanks, you guys helped alot I think i will develope a new load with 160 accubonds. i will keep you posted
     
  7. buzzgun

    buzzgun Well-Known Member

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    Might want to re-think your ideas of the 120 grain ballistic tip......it has the same jacket as the 140 grain which results in a much tougher bullet than you would think............I've killed and seen killed a bunch of deer/antelope with them....rarely have we ever recovered one as they usually product exit wounds.

    That being said, it wouldn't be my first choice for a 500 yard deer bullet.....
     
  8. Varmint Hunter

    Varmint Hunter Well-Known Member

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    Forget both and go with the 162gr A-Max bullet. Higher BC, less wind drift & bullet drop over the long haul, AND impressive terminal performance on thin skinned game at any range.
     
  9. j70070

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    thanks and good point but what do you guys think about the 168 vld?
     
  10. roninflag

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    7mm deer loads

    i would have a lot of confidence in the 168. they really are accurate and are least affected by wind. one son-in-law won the 1k match here . the other came in second in a 500 yard match with my stock laredo. with a lot of h-4831 starting them out around 2900 or so; with the high bc they are real good for long range.
     
  11. johnnyk

    johnnyk Well-Known Member

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    j,
    I have shot the 7mmRM for alot of years and my bullet of choice for deer (whitetails) has been the 150gn Ballistic Tip in front of 67gn of RL22 with a BR2 primer. I was getting 3100+fps out of the Sendero that I had developed this load in. This load shot sub .5" for me and accounted for lottsa critters demise.
    I do remember comparing the 120gn to the 150gn'r out to 500yds and I was suprised how the wind tossed the 120 around. Mind you, this was before the A-max, AccuBond and a host of other "premium" bullets were on the scene.
    I traded that Sendero in for a 700P and two weekends ago she (700P) produced a .4215" 3-shot group with the 150gn NBT using 63.5gn of IMR4350 (.5gn over max!) and R9.5M. Using Noslers #5 reloading manual, I guesstimated the muzzle velocity at 3275. That's probably a bit high, but I'll chrono it soon and see. JohnnyK.
     
  12. j70070

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    wow thats awsome,no pressure signs? and ya let me Know what the chrony says.
     
  13. johnnyk

    johnnyk Well-Known Member

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    Yup...
     
  14. Strick9

    Strick9 Well-Known Member

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    I second on the Nosler BT,, I used them religiously then went to the Accubond and xp3.. with the Bt the game always hits the dirt where it stood due to full energy tranfer and fragmentation and shock waves produced in the vital cavity. the xp3 and accubonds passed right threw the crease behind the leg on a 300 lb muley and a 700 lb elk in and out, both hits were terminal but left me tracking short distances, no huge deal but the BT would have dumped them.. I do not shoot shoulders, necks or heads, but just behind the crease of the shoulder at the first rib past the shoulder and low..no meat damage for me.. love those shoulder and neck roasts.and there is none finer than a brazed or fried heart so I try not to hit it either.