Cutting Edge bullets?

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  1. Sako7STW

    Sako7STW Well-Known Member

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    I did a search on here about the Cutting Edge bullets. I see several threads about people using them but none really state how well they perform on game. So I am wondering if those of you that have used these bullets would tell us all more about your experiences with them. How well the shoot, in what and what velocities.

    The reason I ask is I am trying the Bergers in my STW (Sako M995 TRG-S) and just cannot get them to shoot well in my gun when using a COAL that will fit in my clip. I refuse to hunt with a single shot scenario. The Cutting Edge bullets with thier "SealTite Band" have me intrigued.
     
  2. midwesthunter

    midwesthunter Well-Known Member

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    Might want to share what stw ur shooting and also velocity ur shooting. I haven't shot them yet but will once my 6.5 stw is done. Since these are solid copper bullets they will tend to be longer than a jacketed bullet if same wieght.
     

  3. Sako7STW

    Sako7STW Well-Known Member

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    I have no idea yet. The 168 Bergers I am running around 3000-3200. I have tried H-1000 and RL-22 on Fed 215M's. Best group so far is 4.5" at 100 yards. I am actually using currently the 127 gr. Groove Bullet (some old timers on here might remember them) that are no longer made. They are screaming out at 3800 FPS and will still print a cloverleaf at 200yrds. I have 17 of these left so i need to find a new bullet.

    My Sako has a 26" bbl and a 9.5 twist
     
  4. WildRose

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    My guess would be that you don't have a fast enough twist rate for the heavier bullets and need to back down to a Max of 160gr's.

    You might want to give the 150gr accubond, Scirocco, or the 154gr Hornady Interlock a try.

    The long/heavy monometal bullets require a higher RPM to stabilize than similar jacketed bullets in order to stabilize and RPM is a function of velocity and twist rate.
     
  5. Sako7STW

    Sako7STW Well-Known Member

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    I sent CEB a message. We will see what they have to say. I will post it on here.
     
  6. Lausboob

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    In terms of accuracy, these are absolutely the most accurate bullets I have used in my 338 winchester or any rifle. I have found the bullet to shoot more accurately with the band seated deeper in the case for whatever reason. Using H4350 I have pushed the D62 to an average velocity of 2950 with groups under 1" @ 300 yards when conditions permit. With a little more case prep I'm sure the results will get even better. IMO, the only negative is the price. Unless your're independently wealthy, most likely will not be shooting hundreds of bullets for target practice. Once you have a good accurate load worked up these are excellent long range hunting bullets. Last year took 1 antelope and 1 mulie buck with great results. Can't say enough positive about these bullets. Jimmy W.
     
  7. Long Time Long Ranger

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    They are very accurate and not very critical to load for. They shoot good within a wide range of seating depths. I started shooting them last year and between me and my friends using my rifles have taken 15-18 animals. We have not found a bullet yet because they all exit with a nice exit wound creating nice double blood trails. All animals were dead within a reasonable distance. A double lung hit will not bring the animal down right there but will leave a good blood trail to follow a short distance to where it lays. A high shoulder shot or spinal shot anchors the animal as with any other bullet. A friend shot an elk through both shoulders at 520 yards while I spotted and anchored the elk in it's tracks. The bullet exited with a good size exit hole after breaking both shoulders. So the bullet is tough and will hold together.

    I have not tried the CE 7mm bullets and do not know what they offer. You also may want to try the 168 grain Barnes TTSX. It is very accurate and has a high BC. I have not shot an animal with them since they just came out but the ttsx performs very well on game. Last week I was shooting them 3200 fps out of my 7mm STW very accurately.
     
  8. Franklin

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    LTLR, did any of the animals you or your buddies shot flatten with these bullets? In a hunting bullet I'm after consistancy on game. I've shot accubonds for years and can only think of one animal that didn't flatten where it stood. I've shot 3 elk and one bear with bergers and got tired of them coming apart to fast or pencil holing. As I said in another post, I can only find 2 pictures on ceb's website of recoverd bullets, one banana peeled and the other didn't do much besides flatten the nose. Did you get any pictures of entry or exit holes from the critters you shot? I'd love to try them, just a little skeptical with the design for a hunting bullet.
     
  9. mike33

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    If the bullet fragmented wouldnt that be better?
     
  10. Long Time Long Ranger

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    The ones that hit through the shoulder or spine flattened. The lung shots behind the shoulders ran and collapsed. I have never recovered a bullet. The exit holes are large enough to show me they did expand and were round meaning they held together and did not fragment. If I ever recover one I will post it on here.

    I like the accubonds and have used them since they first came out. I continuously try and find the highest bc bullet that has target accuracy and will perform on game. I started testing the cutting edge last summer and am now switching over my primary hunting rifles to them as I test the different calibers. Right now I have only tested the 30 and 338 calibers on game. Obviously I was satisfied or would not be switching my rifles to them. I am not a rep or on the payroll for any company and just report on here what has worked for me. I have hundreds of bullets from every manufacturer on my bench and use them all for particular situations. For large big game hunting the cutting edge now is getting that work. During the past week I have loaded Nosler, Barnes, Hornady, Berger, swift and cutting edge in various rifles for range tests in five different calibers and nine different cartridges.
     
  11. mike33

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    I just picked up a nib 338 rum in 700ss. I have a edge but was looking for something lighter to carry at various times and siuations. Wanted to get the most bang i could, what would you reccomend for elk and muledeer out to say 1k yards. I currently use the 300 smk but didnt know if i should go back in bullet weight with the rum. Already started getting parts to tune, stock, brake, wyatt box. Has factory x trigger didnt want to spend the $ for the Jewell trying decide timmney or basis.
     
  12. Long Time Long Ranger

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    I have the same rifle, rem 700 ss 338 rum, and am currently working up a load with the 225 grain D62 .64 bc cutting edge bullet. I have been shooting the 225 AB in it. If the wind settles in the morning I can give you some fresh data on it. Saturday shot some test loads all around 3200 fps. It is the best bullet to 1000 yards. The 338-300 RUM and the 338 RUM shoot the same bullets basically the same velocities so really makes no difference as to weight with either. If your 338-300 is a 30" barrel that will make a little difference. Your remington will shoot the same accuracy loads with the 300 grainers if you are using H-1000. They both shoot with best accuracy with 91-93 grains of H-1000 at about the same velocities. The new H-1000 will be a little less. The 26" barrel remington will average 2730-2770 fps probably with best accuracy. That is where the ones I have worked with hit best accuracy.
     
  13. mike33

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    Thanks, i wouldnt of thought it would of been that close from the rum to the edge. I just wanted the big punch with less weight if possibe. Its not pracical for me to carry that edge in some places i hunt in Co. Just ordered a BC alaskian 11 stock, break from DE, i can put a spare NFX 5.5x 22 on now and have a practical carry gun. What powder did you mention for the 225 accu bond? Also what would be a good trigger besides the Jewell. I figure after i geta load worked with all data i can still use the edge more for practice and still be ready with the rum for actual hunting. I know the lighter barrel isnt much for target.
     
  14. Long Time Long Ranger

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    On my way to shoot now. Re25, H1000 and Retumbo in the 338 rum with 225 ce bullets. When the 338 RUM came out in 2001 I shot it extensively head to head on my 1000 yard range against the 338-300 RUM I had been building for guys since late 1998. They both shot the same bullets virtually the same speed with the difference being the individual barrlels. The difference is the 338 RUM is over the counter brass without having the associated problems of necking up the 30 cals and the 338 RUM fits better on standard mag actions which is why Remington shortenned it slightly. They told us at the shot show in 2001 it gave the same performance but allowed for much better performance through the 700 action with the longer 338 bullets. They were right. At my shop and range guys could shoot them head to head. I never sold another 338-300 RUM barrel after 2001 when it had been my most popular build since 1998.

    I still have two original 338-300's built in 1998 on sako actions with 28" barrels that have been collecting dust. I have considered auctioning them as collectors pieces since one may be the first one ever built and the other the third. Sniper2 on here has the second one. One is unfired. I don't know who else was doing it in 1998 but it was very popular from when people got the remington specs on it until 2001 so there was probably someone. I know the guy in Canada, Abry White I think, developed the cartridge in 1982 or 1983 off 404 Jeffrey brass but it didn't get popular in the states until remington brought it out in 1999 as the 300 rum.