I have working with 168 VLD, and a charge of n170. Well, I took my chrono to the range and wasnt too impressed with velocity. A 80 grain charge gets me about 2850. A 82 grain charge gets me 3012 with 162 A Max. I feel like I have headroom on the charge, but I was expecting a little more than that . Both are very accurate, but my 7 mags get that speed easy. N170, seems to burn a little slower than Retumbo, so suppose I could almost go to compressed loads and still be safe. This is a Sako 75 that I bought back in December. It does not seem to like 140's,so I tried the 168's, which have been accurate, no surprise , but just need to get the velocity up. Would like to get it to about 3100-3150. With the 162's, maybe around 3200. Just sort of a update to a previous post. Any thoughts or suggestions? AIM SMALL, MISS SMALL. lightbulb 7 STW.