7-375 ruger or 7 lrm ????

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  1. joshiwa220

    joshiwa220 Member

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    I have been reading alot on the forum lately. I really enjoy it and longrange hunting myself. I am currently crippled up do to hand surgery so I spend most my time on the internet. I was really interested in hearing about people wildcatting the 375 ruger case to 7mm or as aronn is calling his a 7lrm. I was wondering if there was any load data available for this or any specs on getting a reamer for one. I was really interested in having my local gunsmith make one for me. I like the idea of the longer neck but how long is it? are there any case dimensions available? I currently have a 7mm ultra sendero that shoots awesome but has to be near its last legs for barrel. I shoot 98.5 grains of retumbo and get 3525fps with 160 accubonds and stillhold just under 1/2 moa but everyone is shocked at that speed. The gun was used when I got it but has always shot the accubonds good.
    Thanks everybody, I really enjoy the forum



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  2. elktaxi1

    elktaxi1 Well-Known Member

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    there are reamers(pacific) out there but you are not going to get 3500 out of a 160 with it i get 3200 with 160 accu bonds and my loads are right at max if not over. mine is built on a rem 700 action 28" lilja barrel and axiom bedded stock and shoots 1/4 moa at 300 yds and the recoil is real nice and with a brake it is like a 243 or less. rick
     

  3. joshiwa220

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    I understand it is not the ultra mag. I wasn't expecting to get 3500 with this gun. I am hoping for 3100-3150 with 180's. I was about to build a 7 wsm hoping to get the most out of it I could but 3100 with 180s is what i'm hoping for. I have a 7 and 300 ultra mags so I don't need that big.
    Thanks for the info on pacific though.
     
  4. Stumpm2

    Stumpm2 Well-Known Member

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    How long of a barrel are you looking at using? I have a 7mm Dakota with a 26" barrel and 3100 to 3200 is what I am getting with 168 grain bullets. I figure that I will only be able to get about 3050 fps without pressure signs using the 180 grainers. I think 3100 fps will result in flattened primers and a stiff bolt. The Dakota has slightly more case capacity than the LRM.
     
  5. elktaxi1

    elktaxi1 Well-Known Member

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    i think you should be abile to get that out of a 180 hybrid if you use a slow enough powder i talked with mike at gun werks about theres and the get 3100 something with the lrm. my gun was designed for 140's and smaller bullets(11to1) so i have not tried the 180s. but i do get real good speeds out of the gun with the 145lrx barnes and 1/4 in moa at 300yds with the 145s and 1/4 in at 300 with the 160 accu bonds. the only reason i dont use a berger 140 in mine is i cant get them to stablize at 3200 plus and they come apart they dont like my freebore. rick
     
  6. joshiwa220

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    I was a little afraid of that elk taxi. I am going with a 26-27 inch barrel. My 7 ultra will not shoot any of the Bergers and after reading I think I was trying to push them way too fast. if it only reaches 3050 with the 180's that will be great. Thanks for the help
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  7. elkaholic

    elkaholic Well-Known Member

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    The LRM holds approx. 93 grains and has a .330" neck from what I've been told. The 7 Dakota should hold around 95-96 grs. My new 30/375 S.I. holds 95 grs. The LRM has a 30 degree shoulder which is pushed back approx. .100" +- from the 375 Ruger. Mine has a 40 degree shoulder which is pushed back approx. .080" and the body taper is blown out a little. If you go with a straight 7/375 Ruger, you will end up with a VERY short neck; probably less than .250"........Rich
     
  8. joshiwa220

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    Rich,
    Thanks a bunch. I read about your 30 375 si... Version. You got something really nice going there and have put slot of thought into everything. I would definitely like to know how everything is going now and once you get all your parts finished in feb.
    Does anyone know if gunwerx will sell their brass or will we have to make our own. From what I understand I will need a ground down 375 die first and bump the shoulder back a little. Then go down to 338 in a shorter die like a 338 rcm or a ground down 338 ultra? Then neck to 30 with something shorter and finally size with a 7 mm neck and trim. Could I shoot then or should I finish from 30 with my 7 lrm die or what ever I make it?
     
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    Would the 338 rcm and 30 rcm dies be best since they are exact diameters for the body of the case to give case wall support?
     
  10. elkaholic

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    Gunwerks will only sell their brass to people who buy rifles from them. Once I get my rifle chambered I will get the sizing thing perfected but here is what I've done so far.
    I cut .080" off of a full length 375 Ruger die and bumped the shoulder back. Next, I ran it thru a .338 RCM die set to neck size and make sure I only go back to the new shoulder, (same 30 degree angle). I then ran it thru a 300 SAUM die set to neck size and leave a little false shoulder on the .338 neck; just a few thou. This will be my headspacing angle. If I had my 30/375 S.I. dies, I might try skipping the 300 saum step and try to form the 40 degree shoulder at that time, but I really don't think that will be the best approach. My best guess is that the best approach will be to not use the S.I. die and simply fireform after using the SAUM. The case will need a little forming anyway to blow the taper out of the case body so I think this will work just fine. Basically, most of the forming will be just blowing .006" taper out and changing the 30 to a 40 degree shoulder at this point. It sounds a little tedious, but really wasn't bad at all when I tried it. With the throating in this chamber, the round should duplicate the Dakota at half the brass cost..........Rich
     
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    Is there a reason you use the 300 saum die to neck size to .30 cal or is just because you have that die and it will fit to get the neck size down.
     
  12. elkaholic

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    Ya, that's what I had so I used it! Once I get my S.I. dies, I will use them instead and can either do the same thing as I did with the SAUM or try to form the shoulder to 40 degrees at the same time. I'll just have to try it and see which is best.......Rich
     
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    Will gunwerks sell the brass to anyone now, or is it still specifically for customers only?
     
  14. AZShooter

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    joshiwa220,

    I made a necked down 375 Ruger without any other changes. The neck IS short but it works.

    Talked to Dave Kiff about not moving shoulder. He said several guys did it when the 375 first came out and they had no issues with the short neck.

    I wanted to do this with dies I had on hand and not buy custom dies till I knew it would shoot.
    Besides having a hornady 338 RCM dieset I have a Whidden custom FL/bushing die and seater for the 338 RCM. The 375 shares the same shoulder angle and diameter as the RCM.

    Here is how I did it.

    Procedure for necking down 375 Ruger

    1) Hornady 338 RCM FL die
    2) 300 RUM FL die to taper mouth of case
    3) Whidden 338 RCM bushing die with .329 bushing
    4) Whidden 338 RCM bushing die with .312 bushing
    5) Open up with K and N mandrel, neck turn to .013” neck wall thickness
    6) Run brass into Whidden 338 RCM bushing die using .311 bushing

    Ordered a 7mm/375 reamer with .317" neck

    Two weeks ago I rechambered a 23 1/4" rem takeoff that was a 7 rem mag. Years ago I had that takeoff put on a Mark X and the barrel shank had to be cut off to rethread for the larger mauser shank, that is why it is so short.

    Here are the details on the load development:

    Seating 168 berger classic hybrid to max OAL to fit magazine of MARK X has a bullet jump of .054”

    moly coated 168 Berger classic hybrid and H-1000:
    78=3075 shoots very accurately
    79=3090
    80=3115
    81=3135 was also quite accurate
    82 3205 vel jump/over the top/some bolt lift resistance



    moly coated Berger 180 target VLDs, RL-33.
    81= 2988
    82= 3010
    83= 3040
    84=3075 most accurate
    85=3124
    86=3140 slight bolt lift resistance

    Load for Mark X: 84 gr of RL-33 with 180 VLD 3075 fps

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    As I said didn't want to buy any custom dies till I decided it would shoot. I bought a 375 Ruger die set and will use the FL die for body bump. Bought a 7 RUM die set and machined a 7 RUM seating die shorter. The 7 RUM shoulder dia is .005" larger per side but both share a 30 degree shoulder angle. Setup seating die so brass would kiss shoulder area and got low runout and decent accuracy.

    To reload once fired brass I'll use the 375 die for body bump, the 338 RCM Whidden FL/ bushing die for sizing neck. Pretty straight forward.

    A buddy is selling me a #7 fluted SS lilja that is 30" currently a 7 STW with 200 rounds through it for $250. I'll cut off some shank, rechamber and put it on one of my LR rifles for some testing at longer distances. Have some 180 hybrids on the way. Figure I'll get 3100-3150 pretty easily from a 29" barrel with RL-33 and the 180s.

    This has been lots of fun. I think this size case is a great size for the 7mm. I hope to wack a coues wt with this rig next season.