300 vrs 7mm

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  1. foreign

    foreign Well-Known Member

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    ok i have two questions1. 7mmwsm of 300wsm for deer at longer ranges 800m
    2 are there better options not going above the the size of the 300wsm ish. eg i done want a laupa magnum. i thought the 7mm had far bewtter bc so i was convinced on it. then read something and started thinking again. damn it
     
  2. James Jones

    James Jones Well-Known Member

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    The 7mmWSM would be had to beat , shooting the 162 A-max at 3000-3100fos would be very hard to beat balisticaly with anything in the 300 WSM. The 300 does have the ability to shoot bigger heavier built bullets like the 200gr AccuBond if you were shooting at big game like moose or elk or bigger.

    The 7mmWSM running a 180gr Berger at close to the 3000fps range shoot very flat out past anything the more common 30 cals can and has more than enoguth energy to kill deer out tom 1500yds
     

  3. Kevin

    Kevin Well-Known Member

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    It really comes down to personal preference on this one. A deer at 800m really isn't going to know the difference, either will be plenty effective and there are many good bullet choices for both. But, if it were me, I would go with the 7WSM.
     
  4. phorwath

    phorwath Well-Known Member

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    How do you retain enough velocity to initiate bullet expansion at 1500yds? I can't maintain expansion velocity past about 1100 yds in my 7mm Rem Mag. And that's with the 168 gr Berger VLD. I consider expansion velocity to require ~1700 fps.
     
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  5. phorwath

    phorwath Well-Known Member

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    I'd go 7mm WSM or 7mm Rem Mag.
     
  6. yobuck

    yobuck Well-Known Member

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    dont worry about the 1500 yd. thing bub. all sounds good, but aint many, if any, 7mms can cut that mustard for hunting. a big 30 or a big 338, is the only thing that makes any sence for that. if you havent done it, hold on the opinions untill you have. the hell with the programs.
     
  7. phorwath

    phorwath Well-Known Member

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    Well your's is a tough post to understand. Is your response to me (phorwath) or are you responding to "James Jones"? I'm confident in my opinion on the 7mm WSM or Rem Mag out to 800 yds for deer. Been there, done that, currently doing it farther than that on caribou. My question was to James Jones who stated that the 7mm WSM has more than enough energy to kill deer out to 1500 yds. From my perspecitve, there may be enough energy at 1500 yds if you brain the deer, but if the bullet doesn't open up with a body shot at 1500 yds, what good does the energy do if it's spent on the ground or brush after the bullet punches through the deer's body? So I was hoping to hear back from James on his rationale.

    Have you heard of the 7mm Allen Magnum? I'm sure it's a potent deer killer out to 1500 yds. But the original poster wasn't interested in shooting 1500 yds. He was looking for a cartridge for use out to 800 yds. And specifically looking at the better of either the 7mm WSM or the 300 WSM. Which is why I recommended either the 7mm WSM or the 7mm Rem Mag, as either will do the job out to a good 900 - 1000 yds.

    Maybe James Jones meant those bambi sized deer you shoot in Florida, eh yobuck? We'll have to condition all of your comments on the basis of marsh rat sized deer? That about right? Any more opinions to share... Bub?
     
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  8. yobuck

    yobuck Well-Known Member

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    phorwath.

    i suppose my post was confusing. i was talking in general, and not necessarily to anyone in particular.
    i would agree fully with your asessment of the 7 rem. and 7wsm. as for distance.
    ive owned a 7x300 wby. for a very long time. velocity of that cartridge is in the 33 to 3400 range, w/ a 162 gr. bullet. some claim slightly more.
    ive killed deer to 1200 w/ it. based on those experiences, i personaly wouldnt go much further with that cartridge. agreed, a heavier bullet might improve that some.
    the ultramags ive seen in our camp may be slightly better, but not much. kirby allens 7 mm is certainly very impressive. im sure it extends the range of the 7mm.
    but make no mistake, 1500 yds. is one helluva distance. ive shot at that distance, and further many times.
    the difference between 1000 yds. and 1500 is like comparing minor league to major league. everything is much harder. wind becomes far more critical, due to velocity loss.
    the trace, or wake of a 7mm bullet, is way way up there, and its lost, when it decends down. only very good glasses, and an experienced spotter will consistantly see hits at 1500. at least where i hunt.
    certainly its possible to accomplish, and its done fairly often. but those who do it, dont use 7 mms. and definatly not wsms.
    ive never met kirby allen, never heard of him till recently. id lay odds he'd pretty much concur on my comments.
    you know placing a target, or a gong plate at some desirable spot, and picking a nice day to have at it, is not the same as game day. certainly its good practice, and fun. but it ends right there.
    there are 2 kinds of facts involved here. 1 kind allows us to pick a bullet and velocity, and print out a chart telling us what to expect at various distances. i personally consider that as i do the gas millage posted on the vehicles we buy. best to take it for a test drive.
     
  9. phorwath

    phorwath Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the clarification. I'm still hoping James Jones will reply. Interested to hear his logic.

    I own one rifle built by Kirby Allen. But in 300 Win Mag, not his 7mm Allen Mag. Kirby builds accurate hunting rifles. Maybe one day I'll have him build me one of his 7mm Allen Mags. The 200 gr RBBT bullets in that cartridge would certainly have the energy and velocity to kill deer at 1500 yds. I agree that hitting them lethally at that range would be the challenge.