30-338

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  1. thocon

    thocon Well-Known Member

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    I'm new to the 30-338 world,can some one help me with some deer loads /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
     
  2. abinok

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    Ive got some. What bullet weight are you planning on using?
    IMO, don't look any lighter than 165 for deer (close range) or 220 (longrange)
     

  3. thocon

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    I think around 195,What ever works at 700.
     
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    I've got two of them one has a 1/12 twist and the other a 1/10 twist barrel. I've taken more deer and elk with the 1/12 twist barrel using 165 gr bullets. Been shooting the 30-338 for about 20yrs now. Well good luck.
     
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    The rifle I loaded for was a remington with a 28" Hart barrel, remington 7mm Rem mag brass (use a tapered expanding ball) and federal gold medal match magnum primers. Ive included data for 175-200 gr bullets. I have loaded for 190, 200, and 220 gr bullets and I listed the best powder (in my experance). Personally, I use sierra matchkings for most of my hunting. If youre not comfortable doing that, take a look at the gamekings from sierra, or the accubond from nosler. Both are superb bullets, and a bit heavier construction than the matchkings. Any of those bullets will carry 1500fps to 1000yds with at least 1000ftlbs of energy.

    30-338
    175 and 180gr
    H-380 From 59.0 grains to 63.8 grains
    H-4831 From 65.0 grains to 76.0 grains
    IMR-4064 From 56.5 grains to 61.5 grains
    IMR-4320 From 58.0 grains to 62.7 grains
    IMR-4350 From 63.1 grains to 76.0 grains
    IMR-4831 From 65.0 grains to 71.4 grains
    MRP From 65.7 grains to 72.2 grains

    190gr
    H-380 From 55.8 grains to 62.0 grains
    H-4831 From 64.4 grains to 70.3 grains
    IMR-4064 From 52.0 grains to 56.6 grains
    IMR-4320 From 53.2 grains to 58.0 grains
    IMR-4350 From 60.2 grains to 66.7 grains
    IMR-4831 From 62.0 grains to 68.7 grains
    MRP From 62.6 grains to 70.0 grains

    Best accuracy at
    H4831 69.3 @2940

    200gr
    H-380 From 57.0 grains to 61.4 grains
    H-450 From 66.9 grains to 70.9 grains
    H-4831 From 65.9 grains to 71.6 grains
    IMR-4064 From 53.8 grains to 58.8 grains
    IMR-4320 From 54.6 grains to 59.6 grains
    IMR-4350 From 61.3 grains to 71.0 grains
    IMR-4831 From 63.0 grains to 70.2 grains
    MRP From 63.5 grains to 70.6 grains

    Best accuracy at
    H4831 69.9 @2876

    220gr
    H-570 From 74.6 grains to 79.0 grains
    H-4831 From 62.2 grains to 69.8 grains
    IMR-4320 From 52.2 grains to 58.6 grains
    IMR-4350 From 58.6 grains to 71.0 grains
    IMR-4831 From 60.2 grains to 67.7 grains
    MRP From 60.9 grains to 68.4 grains

    Best accuracy at
    H4831 67.7 @ 2707
    remember to reduce and work up...bla bla bla...
    let us know how it goes.
     
  7. thocon

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    Thank you thats what i was looking for MERRY XMAS
     
  8. abinok

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    glad I could help
    Merry Christmas!!
     
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    It is confusing when people ask for a deer load for a certain cal and give no other information in our part of the world we have a combination season until afew years you had to hunt deer and elk in the same season so my loads were tailored for that type of hunting. I've never found a need for anything larger than a 180gr bullet for either deer or elk. I've taken afew at some long ranges before it was called long range hunting. I look more to the bullet BC and velocity for the range than just bullet weight alone and does it have enought energy to drop and elk at 800yds and if it does than it's a good deer load also. When you start loading for the 30-338 and say with a twist of 1/10 and go to the 200gr bullet and with a velocity of less than 3000fps I wouldn't use that bullet I'd want to move up to alittle more case capacity like the 30-378 wby mine will put a 180br bullet over 3400fps. I'm thinking of a broughton 5c barrel 1/10 twist for a 30-338 I just had a 300wsm done up with that barrel and real happy with it kind of like to do it around that 180gr swift bullet. Well good luck.
     
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    Yes i understand that,I'm concerned about location,location and location.After all guns are like women,no 2 are the same.Thanks again you'all
     
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    Like i said i was new to the 30-338.So some more pickin is required.What brass is better?7mag or 338mag,and what brand?Also what is the case length.And last,how much free bore.Thanks
     
  12. abinok

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    What brass is better?7mag or 338mag,and what brand?
    I tried 3 types of brass.
    7mm rem mag brass, remington brand
    7mm Remington mag federal once fired.
    and 338 Win mag once fired, winchester brand.
    I ended up using the new remington brass, since all I had to do was run it into a 300WM fl sizing die, then neck size for the bullet pull I wanted. I don't have to worry about turning or reaming the neck to control neck thickness. The remington also seemed to have a bit tighter primer pocket as well.
    Also what is the case length.
    2.500, no matter what case you use.
    And last,how much free bore.
    Um... im not sure what you mean by this question. If you mean how far from the lands to seat the bullet, whatever works best. Is this a rifle you already have, or are you trying to decide on a chambering? If you are doing a build,you can always cut the throat with a seper ate reamer after you do the chamber for whatever freebore you want, with whatever bullet you want.
    Most of the work I did with this caliber was longrange deer and paper loads using SMK's, and reduced recoil practice loads.
     
  13. thocon

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    Now your talkin,Well rem brass it is.You said you ran a 300 full lenght die,then the 30-338?I'm not quite understanding.It has a 26 1/4 barrel,palma gun,used.
     
  14. abinok

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    The rifle I was loading for came with a lee collet neck sizing die. I don’t think this is a catalog item, but if you give them a call, they can hook you up. I also load for the 300WM. In simplest terms, the 30-338 is nothing more than a shortened 300WM. I ran the 7mm case into the 300 FL sizing die and expand it up to 308. No lube, no muss, no fuss. Then into the Collet sizing die, with the appropriately sized mandrel. If a die set came with the rifle, you have all the problems solved for you, I just use the 300WM die because I have it on hand, and I like to spend money on bullets, not dies. I was reading through an old publication about halfway through this project and came across one of Jim Carmichaels articles. He describes setting up stepped necks… leaving the lower half the larger fire formed diameter, and sizing only the top half of the neck. There are still some guys that do it, but its not the most popular technique now. Just to prove the feasibility of it, I loaded a few with my 300WM neck sizing die. Couldn’t get the neck tension quite as high, but when using as a single shot rifle, it doesn’t matter a bit. Again….$25 die set vs. $50-$75 set. There are plenty of great neck sizing dies out there, but most work best with lube. The collet die runs dry. Its just one more thing that gets me from the loading room to the range faster. My runout is .001 to .0015. Any 30 caliber fl die you have on hand with a tapered expander will work provided the shoulder is larger than the 7mm. 300WM, 300WBY, 300RUM, 30-378 ect….