.284 win

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  1. Lonestar

    Lonestar Active Member

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    What would be a better choice .284 win or the 7mm rem mag for 1000 yrd elk hunting and bench Shoting I've had a 7mm rem mag but I don't know nothing about the 284 and I'm considering it for a new build please help
     
  2. mitch260

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    The .284 is a great cartrige in rifles with long barrels. With a 30 inch barrel you can run 180 bergers at 2900 fps or more. Another benifit of the .284 is that it doesn't burn out barrels. Plus if you use a long action, the bullets can be seated out quite far and still fit in the magazine. All in all, it is a great cartridge. The only down side is that you have to form brass out of 6.5-284 brass unless you can come up with winchester brass (if this is really a downside).
     

  3. Lonestar

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    So the 284 and the 7rem mag are really close as far as performance but I would have to have a 30 inch barrel
     
  4. cohunter14

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    Yeah, they are similar and I don't think they would necessarily qualify as a 1,000 yard elk gun. To reach 1,000 on elk, I think you will need a 7 RUM at a minimum in a .284 caliber. You are probably better off looking at something in the .300 cal to reach 1,000 yards (300 WM, 300 RUM, etc).
     
  5. Lonestar

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    What would you say the max effective range would be using the .284 win or 7rem mag
     
  6. barnesuser28

    barnesuser28 Well-Known Member

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    IMO 600 yards MAX for elk using a 284 win and a 26" barrel. If using a 7mm rem mag and a 26" barrel then MAYBE 800 yards. Deer to 1k easy for either.
     
  7. fmajor

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    What about the 284 Win (as compared to the 7mm Rem Mag) is most appealing to you?

    Ballistically, the 7mm Rem Mag is superior to the 284 Win in every way (aside, possibly, from powder efficiency where the 284 Win may have an advantage).

    To get to the heart of the matter, are you most interested in:
    1) Elk @ 1,000?
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    2) Paper @ 1,000?

    To "show my hand", I'm a big, huge fan of the 7mm/.284 calibers. For paper/target shooting cartridge/caliber choice becomes simply a matter of trajectory and the ability to buck or slip through wind (given good available projectile components and a precision rifle/optics).

    However, for hunting (and therefore *KILLING*) big critters like elk @ 1,000 I'm much more inclined to up the ante to fast .338 calibers for the sheer slam they can deliver.

    As the old saying goes, "There's no replacement for displacement"!!! (all else being equal of course).
     
  8. Lonestar

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    Well I'm intrested in both I mainly shoot paper @ 500-700 yrds the mag was good but to much recoil to shoot all day that's what sparked the intrest in the .284 win I guess what I'm looking for is a rifle I can do both paper and hunt with but mainly I shoot paper but I did love the mag and recoil wasn't bad for hunting just not for shooting all day 50-100 rounds and the win seems really close to the mag but with less recoil my other question is will the 284 dowhat the 7 rem mag will do in real world environment ????
     
  9. cohunter14

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    If recoil is your issue, build a .300 of some sort and put a break on it. You will have a long range rig for target shooting and two options when hunting, one for very long range and one for mid/short range. Either that or get something smaller than a .284 and use that for paper and use the 7 mag for hunting, just with a limit of less than what you are looking for. I don't think you are going to see a real difference in the .284 vs the 7 mag in recoil.
     
  10. dragman

    dragman Well-Known Member

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    Personally I love the .284 and I would have no issue taking one for 1000 yard elk hunt.
    Put a 30" Heavy varmint barrel on it use a 162 Amax and with the right combination of powder primer etc you can get it up to 3200fps. That will do the job all day IMHO.
     
  11. cohunter14

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    Well at that speed, it is possible for sure. That is over 300fps over the book max though, but I am sure the 30" tube helps.
     
  12. dragman

    dragman Well-Known Member

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    also gotta remember with the 284 that if you have .188 freebore set up for the 180bergers like the bench guys you can run the 162's way out before they touch the lands letting you add way more powder without the pressure. My last .284 (I am building another one this winder) I was running the 180 berger hybrids @ 3033FPS with no sticky bolt and no blown primers.
     
  13. cohunter14

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    Dang, that is a pretty solid load. Could do some damage with that one!
     
  14. COBrad

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    Hell, I wouldn't hesitate to use that 7 mag for 1K yard elk. I'm getting 2980 FPS with 180 gr Berger hunting VLD's from a 28" barrel. My rifle was built for long range marmots, so it is a bit heavier than I want to pack around hunting elk. If I were building a 1K yard elk rifle I intended to actually move around and hunt with, it would be a custom Sendero type rifle set up for this bullet.
    Can't comment on the .284 - no experience with one.