1000+ yard deer hunting

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  1. longshot5.9

    longshot5.9 New Member

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    whats the best 1000+ yard deer hunting rifles?in what caliber and what grain bullet?any suggestionsgun)gun)gun)
     
  2. AJ Peacock

    AJ Peacock Well-Known Member

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    If I were having a custom rifle built for deer only, I'd definitely have Kirby build me a 7mm Allen Magnum and shoot the heaviest-highest BC bullet I could find.

    Off the shelf, a 300Rum is a pretty nice rifle for deer.

    AJ
     

  3. ss7mm

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    That question is way to broad and general to be answered simply. If you wait long enough you will get a ton of different answers and opinions.

    But, I would say that it would be a rifle/scope/cartridge combo that is stable, accurate, repeatable and has the horsepower to push a high BC bullet as flat as possible and retain enough velocity and energy with a properly designed bullet to make a killing shot at that yardage. Remember also that in addition to the gun you will need the best rangefinder, weather acquisition system and portable software or valid range data to go along with the gun.

    There are many combos that would, could and do provide what is needed to make consistent kills on deer sized animals at 1000 yards but you must also remember that conditions at the time of the shot would dictate if the shot would even be taken or not. That 1000 yard capable combo may be limited to 300-400 yards under adverse conditions.

    I personally use a 7mm AM with 200 grain bullets. Others would say a big 338 such as the 338 AM but still all of the above criteria have to be met to be a consistent 1000 yard hammer on deer sized animals.;)

    Also, remember that no matter whether or not you go out and plop down the big bucks to get such a gun, you still have to have the personal skills and experience to be able to make the shot.
     
  4. Derek M.

    Derek M. Well-Known Member

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    a 7 rem mag with a 150 btip would do it just fine.
     
  5. Varmint Hunter

    Varmint Hunter Well-Known Member

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    You'll probably get a different opinion from every poster on the site so here's mine:

    7 STW or 7 RUM with Berger 180gr VLD
     
  6. 3006savage

    3006savage Well-Known Member

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    I would choose a 7mm STW with a 28" barrel or a 300 RUM. I you are looking for an accurate budget rig (by long range standards) you may want to look into rebarreling a savage action "accutrigger" with a Shilen select Match grade barrel. They only cost approx $300 to rebarrel and really shoot lights out with out any gunsmithing. You will almost certainly want to pick a stock out also.
     
  7. goodgrouper

    goodgrouper Well-Known Member

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    You don't need anything super duper fancy. If you only knew how many "non-magnums" I have seen plunk 'em right down in there at 1000 yards!

    Basically, you need a semi-frangible bullet about 100 grains or more with a bc of about .45 minimum going about 3000 fps minimum and you'll be able to kill any deer you want.


    The trick is how good are you at reading wind? My above mimimum example does not leave a lot of room for error in the wind department. If you haven't got much experience with it, a super high bc bullet going sufficient velocity will afford you more forgiveness. But not everyone can OR wants to shoot a firebreathing dragon caliber with 300 grain bullets and SHAME on any gunsmith or outfit that forces this kind of thing on a novice shooter! If you're flinching, your missing. It's that plain and simple. A 15 year old girl with an accurate .243 win is way more deadly than a flinching macho man with his "super magnum"!
     
  8. 7mm rem ibex down

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    doesnt matter what big callibre you use 7 mm rem mag can do the job to but it takes a hell of a lot of skill to keep the sight steady let alone hit the vitals. l regularly take down beozar ibex from 650 metres. but a thousand yards is a long way specaly if you are shooting from cliffs which is prety much impossible to get a deasent shooting position.gun)light bulb
     
  9. bruce55

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    Hi. was wondering if you gave any thought on the .338 win mag as a 1000+ yd deer rifle. I am about to buy a second hand Ruger in that cal which has had only a few rounds down it since new. I am going to use it for Sambar deer and Northern Territory Cape Buffalo. all the material i have read on the pro's and cons between the .300 and .338 win mag the .338 comes up a better caliber to use. what is your or anyone else who may comment think about this.
     
  10. liltank

    liltank Well-Known Member

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    In my opinion a 338 WM with a 250grn match bullet will fit the bill. If you can get it up to 2750fps + you will have a killer for quite a distance.

    As far as the other question many good answers have been posted, so I will just give another thumbs up for the 7mm's. A 7mmRM with a 168 or 180 Berger will do the trick without sacrificing your shoulder.

    Tank
     
  11. MontanaRifleman

    MontanaRifleman Well-Known Member

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    C'mon GG, I ran the numbers for a 100 gr bullet with a BC of .45 and MV of 3000 and @ 1000 yds it has a velocity of 1321 fps, KE of 388 and momentum of 18. No "hunting" bullet that I know of will expand at that velocity let alone very poor energy and momentum for penetration. This is a recipie for a pencil hole wound and no exit hole or blood trail at all.

    Regards,

    -MR
     
  12. MontanaRifleman

    MontanaRifleman Well-Known Member

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    For you guys who are saying the 7mm RM will do the trick @ 1000 yds, would you care to share your rifle specs, load data and predidicted terminal results for the bullets you are using? A 162 gr A-Max is about the only bullet I know of that will expand @ 1000 yds shot out of a 26" (or less) 7mm RM.

    -MR
     
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  13. MontanaRifleman

    MontanaRifleman Well-Known Member

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    Longshot, this question gets asked all the time and the choice is yours to make. It all depends on what criteria you are looking for to kill game with.

    Do you want a rifle/cartridge/bullet that will penetrate, expand and exit or do you want to put a pencil hole in the side of a deer? You can easily do the math with an online balistics calc.

    External Ballistics Calculator

    IMO, for a "hunting" cartridge to "effectively kill" deer size game with @ 1000 yds, you should be shooting a minumum of a 7mm STW with a good MV and high BC bullet to get you to 1000 yds with enough velocity for expansion and energy/momentum for penetration. With most bullets, a 7mm RM, WSM, 300 WM, WSM, 338 WM will not get you there.

    Your choice....

    Hope this helps,

    -MR
     
  14. liltank

    liltank Well-Known Member

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    Manufacturer: Berger Description: VLD (Litz)
    Caliber: 0.284 in Weight: 180.0 gr
    Muzzle Velocity: 3010.0 ft/s Distance to Chronograph: 10.0 ft
    Sight Height: 1.50 in Sight Offset: 0.00 in
    Zero Height: 0.00 in Zero Offset: 0.00 in
    Windage: 0.000 MOA Elevation: 0.000 MOA
    Line Of Sight Angle: 0.0 deg Cant Angle: 0.0 deg
    Wind Speed: 10.0 mph Wind Angle: 90.0 deg
    Target Speed: 10.0 mph Target Angle: 90.0 deg
    Temperature: 40.0 °F Pressure: 29.92 in Hg
    Humidity: 20.0 % Altitude: 1000.0 ft
    Vital Zone Radius: 5.0 in
    Std. Atmosphere at Altitude: No Pressure is Corrected: Yes
    Zero at Max. Point Blank Range: No Target Relative Drops: Yes
    Mark Sound Barrier Crossing: No Include Extra Rows: No
    Round Output to Whole Numbers: No
    Output Data
    Elevation: 3.317 MOA Windage: 0.000 MOA
    Atmospheric Density: 0.07650 lb/ft³ Speed of Sound: 1095.8 ft/s
    Maximum PBR: 377 yd Maximum PBR Zero: 319 yd
    Range of Maximum Height: 174 yd Energy at Maximum PBR: 2491.6 ft•lbs
    Sectional Density: 0.319 lb/in²
    Calculated Table
    Range Drop Drop Windage Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead
    (yd) (in) (MOA) (in) (MOA) (ft/s) (none) (ft•lbs) (s) (in) (MOA)
    0 -1.5 *** 0.0 *** 3014.8 2.751 3632.0 0.000 0.0 ***
    100 -0.0 -0.0 0.4 0.4 2872.9 2.622 3298.2 0.102 17.9 17.1
    200 -2.7 -1.3 1.8 0.8 2734.1 2.495 2987.3 0.209 36.8 17.6
    300 -10.1 -3.2 4.0 1.3 2598.8 2.372 2698.8 0.322 56.6 18.0
    400 -22.6 -5.4 7.4 1.8 2467.1 2.251 2432.2 0.440 77.4 18.5
    500 -40.8 -7.8 11.9 2.3 2339.1 2.135 2186.5 0.565 99.4 19.0
    600 -65.4 -10.4 17.5 2.8 2215.1 2.021 1960.7 0.697 122.6 19.5
    700 -97.1 -13.2 24.5 3.3 2095.0 1.912 1754.0 0.836 147.1 20.1
    800 -136.7 -16.3 33.0 3.9 1978.9 1.806 1564.9 0.983 173.1 20.7
    900 -185.2 -19.7 42.9 4.6 1866.2 1.703 1391.8 1.139 200.5 21.3
    1000 -243.7 -23.3 54.6 5.2 1756.7 1.603 1233.2 1.305 229.7 21.9

    Recipe from reloadersnest.comBerger VLD
    BulletWeight 180 grs
    Powder Hodgdon Retumbo
    PowderWeight 71.5 grs
    Primer Federal GM 215M
    Brass Make Remington
    Barrel Length 28 (inches)
    C.O.L 3.433 (inches)
    Velocity 3010 fps
    Group 0.2 (inches by 3 shot at 100 yds)
    Submitted Date 12/10/2006 2:22:00 PM
    Submitted By McTank
    Gun Info Ruger M77 MKII V/T
    Comment 28" Pac-Nor Barrel

    This is what I could find and using JBM. This is why I have decided to build my big mag in a 7mm RM. As you can see with this load it exceeds the minimum energy necessary for deer at 1000yrds. I also calculated at 2800fps and it to exceeds the minimum by 21ft lbs. The temps and humidity I chose is to try and duplicate the temperature and humidity I might be hunting in this season in PA.

    Tank
     
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