I tried hybrids. I think I have the nose slump issue. I was just shooting various charges to find velocity and max, and I did not think much of it, because I was not shooting for groups at all, but once I got above around 2825 they started to go all over the place relatively speaking, where up to that point they just kept making the same cluster bigger. then I loaded up a few, and shot at 2890, and they were nowhere near each other, at 200 yards even. with the smk's at 100 they just made the same hole bigger, and at 500 were touching, not sure why I tried to fix something that wasn't broken, but I guess i wanted the higher BC, more uniform bullets, and probably better performance on game further out. but anyway, I have to speak with berger and see what they want to do, Brian and a lady, said they would take them back if I have the problem. that was after I told Brian how fast they would be going too. hopefully they stand behind them.