Nosler's revolutionary creation

[Carlos88]

I run a Remington 700 Mountain Rifle in .260. with 120gr TSXs. No need for a crapmore.

 

[pecker_wood]

It's happening now, they have moved the 243 to 8 twist and 300 win and 308 to 10, just checked their site and 300wsm is listed as 10 also

Thats great to hear. Seems like when I was looking at tikka all the 30 cals were 11 to 12 twist. Now if they would take the 300 short mag and put a 22 or 23 incher on it and add a 5 round magazine. Id buy the stainless one. Nothing smoother than Tikka's stainless bolt and action and trigger for the money.

**I only ask for a 22 or 23 inch becuase I would get gagged and tied on here for asking for a 20 inch on it lol

 

[Overkill338]

I partially agree here.

IMO, the RUM / WSM / RSUM set the standard for modern case design circa 1999-2000.

Hornady set the standard for heavy bullets, fast twist barrels and throats long enough to work adding ultimate marketing with the creed. They're all chasing that legacy now.

I think the .375 Ruger case is the best new design of recent times. It's efficient and needs no extra long actions. I made a .300 and .338 on the .375 Ruger case long long before there were any PRC's.

 

[Starbuck]

Pretty much every cartridge released since 2010 (exception for straight walls satisfying foolish state legislative rules) is "riding the Creedmoor's coat tails." The only thing 6.5PRC shares is a projectile diameter- it's basically a short magnum.
People love to crap on Creedmoor, but it's influence is undeniable. OL Shooting Editor John B Snow wrote a very interesting piece crediting Creedmoor's launch as the intro of the "modern cartridge design" era- virtually every cartridge since then has repackaged the same formula:
Long, heavy, high BC bullets; sharp shoulder angles; fast twist; longer neck length; moderate velocity; tight throats.

Agree.

I see a lot of arguments against some newer cartridge designs that don't factor in empirical data. Instead, I read a lot of conflating arguments that incorporate nostalgia, whats worked for 39 years, 350 yd should be max range, etc, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I love me some old cartridges that don't really make a lot sense compared to other rounds, and everyone should be free to run whatever rig they see fit, but as they say, facts are facts.

 

[LRNut]

The pic I posted ? Thats a .300 RUM, .300 WSM, and .30 Nosler, which are all the same parent case, the .404 Jeffrey.

Which is a superbly accurate case; I have 2 28Ns, three 300 RUMs, and an Edge. My only other LR case is a .338 Lapua.

 

[Starbuck]

I run a Remington 700 Mountain Rifle in .260. with 120gr TSXs. No need for a crapmore.

Does anyone else see the irony in a 260 Rem user mocking or derriding a 6.5 CM?

 

[tooth doc]

I laughed at the Westerner too. The .270 WSM didn't catch on, so lets put a new paint job on it, and put it on the front lot as new.

I have 2, love them!

 

[tooth doc]

They should have just done a fast twist 270 WSM. Maybe call it WSM-FT. Mark the ammo for fast twist only in the heavies.

bingo!

 

[pecker_wood]

unless its a 30cal it has to be in milimeters or it aint cool enough

 

[pecker_wood]

Does anyone else see the irony in a 260 Rem user mocking or derriding a 6.5 CM?

6.5 needmore leaves more lost and wounded deers than any other cartridge in history

 

[pecker_wood]

Im thinking about ordering one of these xbolt 308 22 incher. Looks like browning is starting to add 10 twist to their 30 cals too and they finally added AICS floorplate as well but I would do a metal 5 rounder. Maybe they will do this in 300 short mag one day...

 

[Starbuck]

6.5 needmore leaves more lost and wounded deers than any other cartridge in history

There's a lot of them in use, so that could well be true? But there's really no way of knowing. Further, I'm not sure what the juxtaposition you're seemingly implying has to do with my comment?

Either way, if your assertion is that a 6.5 CM shooting a 143 or 147 .6+ BC bullet isn't enough to kill effectively, how is a 260 Rem with 120 grn or 100 grn .4 BC bullet going to do any better? While it might not equate to much at normal hunting distances, the generally longer, higher BC bullets commonly used in the CM vs the 260 would have the CM retaining more energy to longer distances. If both are shooting the same projectile, any difference in terminal performance would be exceedingly minimal, which is the rational behind my orriginal comment that it's ironic for a 260 rem user to be mocking or derriding a 6.5 CM. Objectively, the CM gets more things that matter right than does an OEM 260 rem.

I should add that I don't hunt with or currently own either cartridge.

 

[pecker_wood]

There's a lot of them in use, so that could well be true? But there's really no way of knowing. Further, I'm not sure what the juxtaposition you're seemingly implying has to do with my comment?

Either way, if your assertion is that a 6.5 CM shooting a 143 or 147 .6+ BC bullet isn't enough to kill effectively, how is a 260 Rem with 120 grn or 100 grn .4 BC bullet going to do any better? While it might not equate to much at normal hunting distances, the generally longer, higher BC bullets commonly used in the CM vs the 260 would have the CM retaining more energy to longer distances. If both are shooting the same projectile, any difference in terminal performance would be minimal.

I should add that I don't hunt with or currently own either cartridge.

i think it has somehting to do with the small diameter bullets that long heavy and pointy. They just pass thru like a lazer without much disruption to the internals.

 

[h_1ag]

i think it has somehting to do with the small diameter bullets that long heavy and pointy. They just pass thru like a lazer without much disruption to the internals.

Can the deers read the head case stamps?

That statement is not supported by any empirical data at all. That's 100% conjecture based on zero evidence and just hearsay. Scandinavians we're killing caribou with 140gr 6.5 bullets going the same speed for over half a century longer with a case head that said "Swede" and bullets with much less reliable expansion.

Consider also how a 7Mag with a 162gr ELDX has a longer, skinnier bullet with greater Ballistic Coefficient and Sectional Density than most 140gr 6.5s. It's going to impact traveling faster than a 140gr from a 6.5/.260. Being a half millimeter wider should be inconsequential.
Or how about a .264Mag- you think the same bullet a Creedmoor shoots leaving the barrel 300fps faster won't go through a deer like a laser?
Please just try to think critically.