I've Used eldm's 208 gr .30 cal running at 3,300. Fps For sighting in . And( before i really thought about it) for deer only . 208 is large ,(folks been killing game , buffalo etc with slower lead for years ) I wouldn't even think of using 120's 130's in the Thin jacketed elds , I haven't shot one deer with it yet ,i mostly Trophy hunt with it . Do they work if hit in the vitals only, YES .. if it's a Hit that's off angle and has to penetrate along ways to get to the vitals ( if you take that kind of Shot) i never have yet , or hits bone , the shoulder on Big ELK !! Anyway they come apart and separate at the Closer ranges. THAT i don't like ! They stop penetrating /disintegrate and may not get to the vitals ... solid soft coppers will expand and still penetrate . Barnes may work but they are not soft copper , but they are better that the cup & lead core target ,cheap Hornady bullets , try hammer hunters , bad lands Precision Bulldozer 2's etc they are solid softer copper ,that stay together to allow Penetration. Are about $1 apiece, which these days isn't really that bad compared to barnes lrx ( softer version supposedly) of ttsx at $44 for 50 . Badlands are lathe turned, fly faster because of the ease it goes down the barrel, have a higher BC .so at a long Distance will be ahead of say a lighter 175 barnes vs (195 bull dozer 2 ) long sleek ,but check out what Randy has to say in this Video link Below .He Knows His S*** ! Not bashing the eldm users but , i know there are better choices ,especially in the lighter weights , it took me time , trial and error to figure it all out , still learning ,if you are not a gun nut . You usually don't delve so deep into projectiles and how they React on game at different ranges and speeds etc . So I'm just trying to help others out so they don't have to go through all of the reloading , shooting , etc .That l have done to no good end ! All to start over a few years later , if you want honest facts and not just follow others because that what they shoot . Give Randy the Gunsmith a listen Here.( Eld match 208 left vs 195 BD2 Badlands Right)