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Fitting The Long Range Rifle By Shawn Carlock
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Coues Sniper
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"*** glued to the bench syndrome" 
. That describes a couple guys I know. Excellent article Shawn, I learned a few more things from you. Thanks for your continued involvement in this site.
. That describes a couple guys I know. Excellent article Shawn, I learned a few more things from you. Thanks for your continued involvement in this site.Merlin
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Great article! Had never thought of that, but it sure does explain some things.
MagMan
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I was amazed at what an extra 5/8" of comb lift did for my long range consistency especially when I didn't think I had a problem. Your article reminded me that I needed to order another cheek piece.
Shawn
Great article. I've had the bug for a while to get a laminate blank (Joel Russo) for my 300RUM. I want to do the fitting my self. Right now I'm working on figuring out what I don't know and what other tools I need.
Any info, books or links for doing stock work would be greatly appreciated.
As for Lamiglasss, put his on the back burner, he's about got the turrets worn out already -LOL
I knew most of what you have written except having adjustable LOP for early and late seasons (clothing thickness). That is something that will be implemented on my next stock.
In closing, a special THANK YOU for you Shawn for all that you provide our community.
Southpaw
Great article. I've had the bug for a while to get a laminate blank (Joel Russo) for my 300RUM. I want to do the fitting my self. Right now I'm working on figuring out what I don't know and what other tools I need.
Any info, books or links for doing stock work would be greatly appreciated.
As for Lamiglasss, put his on the back burner, he's about got the turrets worn out already -LOL
I knew most of what you have written except having adjustable LOP for early and late seasons (clothing thickness). That is something that will be implemented on my next stock.
In closing, a special THANK YOU for you Shawn for all that you provide our community.
Southpaw
mindcrime
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I tend to shoot more from the benchrest position, albeit usually prone, F-Class style, but off of a heavy Bald Eagle cast iron rest, and I found your article most informative. I did know some of the information, but the refresher plus the added info, shows me that when I get around to building my .338 Allen Express, I am going to have to do some bi-pod field work!
THANKS SHAWN, for another outstanding article!!!
THANKS SHAWN, for another outstanding article!!!
royinidaho
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Hmmmm, Andy and I seem to have the same problem. I call them "unexplainable misses". They don't occur often but they do occur.
The article pointers and one of those fancy T-shirts should improve my shooting a bit.
Great article.
The article pointers and one of those fancy T-shirts should improve my shooting a bit.
Great article.
txlongrange
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This certainly opened my eyes up a little more.....
Excellent article, Shawn.
TXLR
Excellent article, Shawn.
TXLR
The parallel comb was something that was new to me. Thanks.
At a recent range session I ran into a group that was randomly opening up on me. I then took time to persisely set up each shot with perfect head position and my groups dropped from 1.0" to 0.3".
I learned my lesson that day and I learned another one tonight. Thanks.
At a recent range session I ran into a group that was randomly opening up on me. I then took time to persisely set up each shot with perfect head position and my groups dropped from 1.0" to 0.3".
I learned my lesson that day and I learned another one tonight. Thanks.
milanuk
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Being somewhat outside the standard norm in terms of size I tend to regard adjustable stocks as one of the best things ever to happen to my shooting career. My level of performance, and not coincidentally, enjoyment went up dramatically when I discovered you could actually make the gun fit you, vs. the other way around!lightbulb
I got bit rather hard (literally) by this a couple years ago... long story made short, I'd had to do some emergency scope re-mounting, and had only shot it from a bench before heading off to Raton. Got there and found out that both the LOP and the cheekpiece height were way, way off. Small town hardware/hunting store (not entirely kidding there) had one of the foam stock spacer kits from Bear Claw. Used the spacers and a liberal application of duct tape to make a 1" 'recoil pad' and boost the cheekpiece ~3/4". Got a lot of laughs and snickers, especially as the **** pad was soft enough that it'd compress under recoil and the scope would whack me in the face every few shots. Worked pretty well, though.
After getting back, I put a 1" limbsaver slip-on recoil pad on the gun (to extend the LOP more than for the recoil), and added a kydex saddle cheekpiece from Karsten's Custom Camo. Similar to Shawn's design, but a little quicker to adjust (no allen wrench). I'd used these before on a couple stocks, and I still say they are the best $50 I've ever spent on gun parts gun)
The one point in the article that I disagree with is having the cheekpiece completely level. Maybe it's just me and my weird physiology, but if you feel your cheekbone, it makes sort of an inverted shelf. When your head is tipped forward, as it is when shooting prone, so is that 'shelf'. A cheekpiece that fits to that slight angle is more comfortable (for me) than one that is perfectly flat.
You can sort of see what I'm talking about in this picture of one of my past rifles. I've seen some people with wood cheekpieces whittled and formed to fit their face in a similar manner, so I know I'm not alone, but given that most guns come with a flat cheekpiece if it's adjustable at all, I'm guessing I'm somewhat of a minority.
I tend to regard adjustable stocks as one of the best things ever to happen to my shooting career. My level of performance, and not coincidentally, enjoyment went up dramatically when I discovered you could actually make the gun fit you, vs. the other way around!lightbulbI got bit rather hard (literally) by this a couple years ago... long story made short, I'd had to do some emergency scope re-mounting, and had only shot it from a bench before heading off to Raton. Got there and found out that both the LOP and the cheekpiece height were way, way off. Small town hardware/hunting store (not entirely kidding there) had one of the foam stock spacer kits from Bear Claw. Used the spacers and a liberal application of duct tape to make a 1" 'recoil pad' and boost the cheekpiece ~3/4". Got a lot of laughs and snickers, especially as the **** pad was soft enough that it'd compress under recoil and the scope would whack me in the face every few shots. Worked pretty well, though.
After getting back, I put a 1" limbsaver slip-on recoil pad on the gun (to extend the LOP more than for the recoil), and added a kydex saddle cheekpiece from Karsten's Custom Camo. Similar to Shawn's design, but a little quicker to adjust (no allen wrench). I'd used these before on a couple stocks, and I still say they are the best $50 I've ever spent on gun parts gun)
The one point in the article that I disagree with is having the cheekpiece completely level. Maybe it's just me and my weird physiology, but if you feel your cheekbone, it makes sort of an inverted shelf. When your head is tipped forward, as it is when shooting prone, so is that 'shelf'. A cheekpiece that fits to that slight angle is more comfortable (for me) than one that is perfectly flat.
You can sort of see what I'm talking about in this picture of one of my past rifles. I've seen some people with wood cheekpieces whittled and formed to fit their face in a similar manner, so I know I'm not alone, but given that most guns come with a flat cheekpiece if it's adjustable at all, I'm guessing I'm somewhat of a minority.
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overbore
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Great info, well presented. As additional info, how about "fitting and using an adjustable cheek piece"? Many thanks, Overbore
Thank you for wrighting this article! I've copied it and sent it to several of my customers ( I'm a stock profiler ). I explain this to folks constently, but seeing it in wrighting from someone else has been of great assistance. I've tried to describe these factors to shooters for years only to have argument followed by accusation after they refuse good fitting, other than pull length, and can't hit their target beyond 200 to 300 yards. It is very difficult to get through to folks that what they did at 150 yards with a factory stock won't work for them at long ranges, or that just because the stock has a big name it will automaticaly fit and shoot for them. I was told years ago that, "just like a good pair of boots a stock needs to fit". Greatly Appreciated!
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