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<blockquote data-quote="G-gear" data-source="post: 368066" data-attributes="member: 10370"><p>UPDATE</p><p> </p><p> 'Been doing some hunting for the best scope for my Springfield M1A (M21). </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><a href="http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/index.php/cPath/36_41" target="_blank">Springfield Armory Rifles</a></strong> </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">gun)</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">ZEISS RAPID Z 1000 RETICLE vs. </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">RAPID Z 800 RETICLE</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Both are around $925</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">And both are 4<strong>.</strong>5-14x50</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><a href="http://www.zeiss.de/C1256BCF0020BE5F/Contents-Frame/E34E4125AA548D6685256BCF0061320D" target="_blank"><strong>http://www.zeiss.de/C1256BCF0020BE5F/Contents-Frame/E34E4125AA548D6685256BCF0061320D</strong></a></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Note: </strong>Please enter your information into our </span></span><a href="http://www.zeiss.com/C1256BCF0020BE5F/ContentsWWWIntern/46CBCEF61DEF2B88852574F700589D31" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Rapid-Z Calculator</strong></span></span></a><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"> to ensure that you make the best possible reticle selection </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">based on your caliber, bullet, hunting conditions and location.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">According to their calculator <u>for the Rapid Z 1000</u> (designed for the .308 Match bullets): </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">This IS the value for .308, Sierra 168-gr. MK (BC =.462), </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Velocity: 2,550 fps,</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Elevation: 4,500 ft. ASL</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Temp: 80 degrees F</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The Rapid Z 1000</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">With their calculator, and the scope power ring set to 11.87 (12 power):</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">They say to zero dead-on at 500 yards with the Bar 5. (Bar 5 is the center crosshair.)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">At Bar 1 will impact at 154 yards (or zero at 154 yards with Bar 1).</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Bar 2 = 224 (Bars 1 - 4 are above the center crosshair Bar 5.)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Bar 3 = 316</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Bar 4 = 406</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Bar 5 = 500</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Bar 6 = 595</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Bar 7 = 692</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Bar 8 = 791</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Bar 9 = 892</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Bar 10 = 993</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">This is seemingly unbeatable.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Now, with the Rapid Z 800:</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">With the M1A, same load, they say to put the power ring at 14 power.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Sight in at 1.77" high @ 100 yards for a 200 yard zero (Center Crosshairs).</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Bar 2 will impact at 295 yards (an unmarked bar). (All Bars are below the center crosshairs.)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Bar 4 = 395</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Bar 5 = 495</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Bar 6 = 596</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Bar 7 = 698</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Bar 8 = 800</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I know it's not 1,000 - but rather versatile anyway...</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite11" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll Eyes :rolleyes:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> So, I'm deciding on which to choose. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">More field of view at 12 power with the Z 1000, than 14x on the Z 800.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">And the Z 800 is intended for other calibers, but, look at what I found for the .308!</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>lightbulb </strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>But</strong>, if you definitely need it backed-off at the lowest 4.5 power also, then the Z 800 will work for both close-quarter work and long-range. </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">(What would the Z 1000 do at 4.5 power<strong>?</strong> - when it is set up for range at 12 power<strong>?</strong>) </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>Maybe we can't have our cake, and eat it too. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></em></span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Zeiss Rapid Z 1000</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><a href="http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/553441-USA/Zeiss_52_14_90_9973_4_5_14x50_AO_MC_Conquest.html" target="_blank"><strong>Zeiss | 4.5-14x50 AO MC Conquest Riflescope | 52 14 90 9973</strong></a></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Zeiss Rapid Z 800</span></span></p><p><a href="http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=Zeiss+4.5-14x50+++800&N=0&InitialSearch=yes" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Zeiss 4.5-14x50 800</strong></span></span></a></p><p></p><p></p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">G-gear</span></span></em></p><p><em></em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><a href="mailto:chris_59@q.com"><strong><em>chris_59@q.com</em></strong></a> </span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="G-gear, post: 368066, member: 10370"] UPDATE 'Been doing some hunting for the best scope for my Springfield M1A (M21). [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][B][URL="http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/index.php/cPath/36_41"]Springfield Armory Rifles[/URL][/B] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]gun)[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]ZEISS RAPID Z 1000 RETICLE vs. [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]RAPID Z 800 RETICLE[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Both are around $925 And both are 4[B].[/B]5-14x50[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][URL="http://www.zeiss.de/C1256BCF0020BE5F/Contents-Frame/E34E4125AA548D6685256BCF0061320D"][B]http://www.zeiss.de/C1256BCF0020BE5F/Contents-Frame/E34E4125AA548D6685256BCF0061320D[/B][/URL][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][B]Note: [/B]Please enter your information into our [/SIZE][/FONT][URL="http://www.zeiss.com/C1256BCF0020BE5F/ContentsWWWIntern/46CBCEF61DEF2B88852574F700589D31"][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][B]Rapid-Z Calculator[/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/URL][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] to ensure that you make the best possible reticle selection [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]based on your caliber, bullet, hunting conditions and location.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]According to their calculator [U]for the Rapid Z 1000[/U] (designed for the .308 Match bullets): [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]This IS the value for .308, Sierra 168-gr. MK (BC =.462), [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Velocity: 2,550 fps,[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Elevation: 4,500 ft. ASL[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Temp: 80 degrees F[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]The Rapid Z 1000[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]With their calculator, and the scope power ring set to 11.87 (12 power):[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]They say to zero dead-on at 500 yards with the Bar 5. (Bar 5 is the center crosshair.)[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]At Bar 1 will impact at 154 yards (or zero at 154 yards with Bar 1).[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Bar 2 = 224 (Bars 1 - 4 are above the center crosshair Bar 5.)[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Bar 3 = 316[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Bar 4 = 406[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Bar 5 = 500[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Bar 6 = 595[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Bar 7 = 692[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Bar 8 = 791[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Bar 9 = 892[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Bar 10 = 993[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]This is seemingly unbeatable.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Now, with the Rapid Z 800:[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]With the M1A, same load, they say to put the power ring at 14 power.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Sight in at 1.77" high @ 100 yards for a 200 yard zero (Center Crosshairs).[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Bar 2 will impact at 295 yards (an unmarked bar). (All Bars are below the center crosshairs.)[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Bar 4 = 395[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Bar 5 = 495[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Bar 6 = 596[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Bar 7 = 698[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Bar 8 = 800[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]I know it's not 1,000 - but rather versatile anyway...[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]:rolleyes: So, I'm deciding on which to choose. [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]More field of view at 12 power with the Z 1000, than 14x on the Z 800.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]And the Z 800 is intended for other calibers, but, look at what I found for the .308![/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][B]lightbulb [/B][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][B]But[/B], if you definitely need it backed-off at the lowest 4.5 power also, then the Z 800 will work for both close-quarter work and long-range. [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3](What would the Z 1000 do at 4.5 power[B]?[/B] - when it is set up for range at 12 power[B]?[/B]) [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][I]Maybe we can't have our cake, and eat it too. :D[/I][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Zeiss Rapid Z 1000[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][URL="http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/553441-USA/Zeiss_52_14_90_9973_4_5_14x50_AO_MC_Conquest.html"][B]Zeiss | 4.5-14x50 AO MC Conquest Riflescope | 52 14 90 9973[/B][/URL][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Zeiss Rapid Z 800[/SIZE][/FONT] [URL="http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=Zeiss+4.5-14x50+++800&N=0&InitialSearch=yes"][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][B]Zeiss 4.5-14x50 800[/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/URL] [I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]G-gear[/SIZE][/FONT] [/I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][EMAIL="chris_59@q.com"][B][I]chris_59@q.com[/I][/B][/EMAIL] [/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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