MT4XFore
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Gentlemen, unless I missed it, I haven't seen any discussion here about Zeiss' new reticles. Has anyone seen them up close and personal yet? Any thoughts or discussions??
Jim
Jim
Zeiss Rapid Z Reticles
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MT4XFore
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Chad, I like the idea of a through-the-lens pic. I am interested in the varmint version for my 22-250AI. It looks easy to use and uncomplicated. Just wondering how it works and looks in real life is all. I understand that you might be a bit prejudiced, but that's ok with me. So far it doesn't look like many are on the market yet. Thanks for the answer,
Jim
Jim
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Chad, I like the idea of a through-the-lens pic. I am interested in the varmint version for my 22-250AI. It looks easy to use and uncomplicated. Just wondering how it works and looks in real life is all. I understand that you might be a bit prejudiced, but that's ok with me. So far it doesn't look like many are on the market yet. Thanks for the answer,
Jim
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Jim,
Give me a day or two and I will see if I can get a photo of that reticle from Zeiss. It was not out the last time I shot the Zeiss/PFI lineup so, I have no experience with it.
I'm not even sure if they are shipping yet. I will find out.
What is the data on the 22-250AI? Bullet weight, bc and velocity?
Chad
Chad, I like the idea of a through-the-lens pic. I am interested in the varmint version for my 22-250AI. It looks easy to use and uncomplicated. Just wondering how it works and looks in real life is all. I understand that you might be a bit prejudiced, but that's ok with me. So far it doesn't look like many are on the market yet. Thanks for the answer,
Jim
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Jim,
Give me a day or two and I will see if I can get a photo of that reticle from Zeiss. It was not out the last time I shot the Zeiss/PFI lineup so, I have no experience with it.
I'm not even sure if they are shipping yet. I will find out.
What is the data on the 22-250AI? Bullet weight, bc and velocity?
Chad
MT4XFore
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Chad, The load I am using with great success right now is a Nosler Ballistic Tip, 55gr., B.C. .267, @ 3700 fps. I can push it faster, but it shoots so well I really have no need to punish the barrel any more than I already am. Thanks for the reply. How does the process work, I mean, how does Zeiss use your reticles in their scopes. Do you etch the glass and send it to them, or have they purchased the rights to use that reticle. Just curious. I am impressed with the rapid Z. Thanks again,
God Bless
Jim
God Bless
Jim
sscoyote
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...Has anyone seen them up close and personal yet?...
Jim
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I have shot the 600 and 800 from Zeiss. Any questions?
I work for PFI (Pride Fowler Industries). Just putting that in there as a heads up.
Chad
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Hey Chad-- love my PFI scope-- it's the 22LR Rapid that i put on my AR-15. I simply adapted the reticle to the loads trajectory. That compact scope is the perfect combination for a long-range walking varminter on coyotes. My 70 y.o. mom shot a 2.5" gp. @ 425 yds. with that rig, perfectly centered using the reticle for drop/wind. My favorite ballistic/ranging reticle, IMO.
Here's a link to some of the Zeiss offerings--
http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6132&PN=1
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...Has anyone seen them up close and personal yet?...
Jim
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I have shot the 600 and 800 from Zeiss. Any questions?
I work for PFI (Pride Fowler Industries). Just putting that in there as a heads up.
Chad
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Hey Chad-- love my PFI scope-- it's the 22LR Rapid that i put on my AR-15. I simply adapted the reticle to the loads trajectory. That compact scope is the perfect combination for a long-range walking varminter on coyotes. My 70 y.o. mom shot a 2.5" gp. @ 425 yds. with that rig, perfectly centered using the reticle for drop/wind. My favorite ballistic/ranging reticle, IMO.
Here's a link to some of the Zeiss offerings--
http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6132&PN=1
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.. How does the process work, I mean, how does Zeiss use your reticles in their scopes. Do you etch the glass and send it to them, or have they purchased the rights to use that reticle...
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Jim,
More or less "they purchased the rights to use that reticle", is correct, as I understand it.
Chad
.. How does the process work, I mean, how does Zeiss use your reticles in their scopes. Do you etch the glass and send it to them, or have they purchased the rights to use that reticle...
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Jim,
More or less "they purchased the rights to use that reticle", is correct, as I understand it.
Chad
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..-- it's the 22LR Rapid that i put on my AR-15. I simply adapted the reticle to the loads trajectory...
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Good deal sscoyote. As you have found out the 22LR is a stout little scope. Can you email me the details on rifle, load and holds your are using, when you get some time?
Thanks,
Chad
cdrayer'at'rapidreticle.com
..-- it's the 22LR Rapid that i put on my AR-15. I simply adapted the reticle to the loads trajectory...
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Good deal sscoyote. As you have found out the 22LR is a stout little scope. Can you email me the details on rifle, load and holds your are using, when you get some time?
Thanks,
Chad
cdrayer'at'rapidreticle.com
Zeiss Rapid Z 800 & 1000 scopes for M1A .308
'Been doing some hunting for the best scope for my Springfield M1A (M21).
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/i...hp/cPath/36_41
gun)
ZEISS RAPID Z 1000 RETICLE vs. RAPID Z 800 RETICLE
Both are around $925
And both are 4.5-14x50
http://www.zeiss.de/C1256BCF0020BE5F/Contents-Frame/E34E4125AA548D6685256BCF0061320D
Note: Please enter your information into our Rapid-Z Calculator to ensure that you make the best possible reticle selection
based on your caliber, bullet, hunting conditions and location.
According to their calculator for the Rapid Z 1000 (designed for the .308 Match bullets):
This IS the value for .308, Sierra 168-gr. MK (BC =.462),
Velocity: 2,550 fps,
Elevation: 4,500 ft. ASL
Temp: 80 degrees F
The Rapid Z 1000
With their calculator, and the scope power ring set to 11.87 (12 power):
They say to zero dead-on at 500 yards with the Bar 5.
At Bar 1 will impact at 154 yards (or zero at 154 yards with Bar 1).
Bar 2 = 224
Bar 3 = 316
Bar 4 = 406
Bar 5 = 500
Bar 6 = 595
Bar 7 = 692
Bar 8 = 791
Bar 9 = 892
Bar 10 = 993
This is seemingly unbeatable.
Now, with the Rapid Z 800:
With the M1A, same load, they say to put the power ring at 14 power.
Sight in at 1.77" high @ 100 yards for a 200 yard zero (Crosshairs).
Bar 2 will impact at 295 yards (unmarked bar)
Bar 4 = 395
Bar 5 = 495
Bar 6 = 596
Bar 7 = 698
Bar 8 = 800
I know it's not 1,000 - but rather versatile anyway...
So, I'm deciding on which to choose.
More field of view at 12 power with the Z 1000, than 14x on the Z 800.
And the Z 800 is intended for other calibers, but, look at what I found for the .308!
Zeiss Rapid Z 1000
Zeiss | 4.5-14x50 AO MC Conquest Riflescope | 52 14 90 9973
Zeiss Rapid Z 800
Zeiss 4.5-14x50 800
G-gear
[email protected]
Last edited by G-gear; 03-01-2010 at 10:21 AM..
'Been doing some hunting for the best scope for my Springfield M1A (M21).
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/i...hp/cPath/36_41
gun)
ZEISS RAPID Z 1000 RETICLE vs. RAPID Z 800 RETICLE
Both are around $925
And both are 4.5-14x50
http://www.zeiss.de/C1256BCF0020BE5F/Contents-Frame/E34E4125AA548D6685256BCF0061320D
Note: Please enter your information into our Rapid-Z Calculator to ensure that you make the best possible reticle selection
based on your caliber, bullet, hunting conditions and location.
According to their calculator for the Rapid Z 1000 (designed for the .308 Match bullets):
This IS the value for .308, Sierra 168-gr. MK (BC =.462),
Velocity: 2,550 fps,
Elevation: 4,500 ft. ASL
Temp: 80 degrees F
The Rapid Z 1000
With their calculator, and the scope power ring set to 11.87 (12 power):
They say to zero dead-on at 500 yards with the Bar 5.
At Bar 1 will impact at 154 yards (or zero at 154 yards with Bar 1).
Bar 2 = 224
Bar 3 = 316
Bar 4 = 406
Bar 5 = 500
Bar 6 = 595
Bar 7 = 692
Bar 8 = 791
Bar 9 = 892
Bar 10 = 993
This is seemingly unbeatable.
Now, with the Rapid Z 800:
With the M1A, same load, they say to put the power ring at 14 power.
Sight in at 1.77" high @ 100 yards for a 200 yard zero (Crosshairs).
Bar 2 will impact at 295 yards (unmarked bar)
Bar 4 = 395
Bar 5 = 495
Bar 6 = 596
Bar 7 = 698
Bar 8 = 800
I know it's not 1,000 - but rather versatile anyway...
So, I'm deciding on which to choose. More field of view at 12 power with the Z 1000, than 14x on the Z 800.
And the Z 800 is intended for other calibers, but, look at what I found for the .308!
Zeiss Rapid Z 1000
Zeiss | 4.5-14x50 AO MC Conquest Riflescope | 52 14 90 9973
Zeiss Rapid Z 800
Zeiss 4.5-14x50 800
G-gear
[email protected]
Last edited by G-gear; 03-01-2010 at 10:21 AM..
UPDATE
'Been doing some hunting for the best scope for my Springfield M1A (M21).
Springfield Armory Rifles
gun)
ZEISS RAPID Z 1000 RETICLE vs. RAPID Z 800 RETICLE
Both are around $925
And both are 4.5-14x50
http://www.zeiss.de/C1256BCF0020BE5F/Contents-Frame/E34E4125AA548D6685256BCF0061320D
Note: Please enter your information into our Rapid-Z Calculator to ensure that you make the best possible reticle selection
based on your caliber, bullet, hunting conditions and location.
According to their calculator for the Rapid Z 1000 (designed for the .308 Match bullets):
This IS the value for .308, Sierra 168-gr. MK (BC =.462),
Velocity: 2,550 fps,
Elevation: 4,500 ft. ASL
Temp: 80 degrees F
The Rapid Z 1000
With their calculator, and the scope power ring set to 11.87 (12 power):
They say to zero dead-on at 500 yards with the Bar 5. (Bar 5 is the center crosshair.)
At Bar 1 will impact at 154 yards (or zero at 154 yards with Bar 1).
Bar 2 = 224 (Bars 1 - 4 are above the center crosshair Bar 5.)
Bar 3 = 316
Bar 4 = 406
Bar 5 = 500
Bar 6 = 595
Bar 7 = 692
Bar 8 = 791
Bar 9 = 892
Bar 10 = 993
This is seemingly unbeatable.
Now, with the Rapid Z 800:
With the M1A, same load, they say to put the power ring at 14 power.
Sight in at 1.77" high @ 100 yards for a 200 yard zero (Center Crosshairs).
Bar 2 will impact at 295 yards (an unmarked bar). (All Bars are below the center crosshairs.)
Bar 4 = 395
Bar 5 = 495
Bar 6 = 596
Bar 7 = 698
Bar 8 = 800
I know it's not 1,000 - but rather versatile anyway...
So, I'm deciding on which to choose.
More field of view at 12 power with the Z 1000, than 14x on the Z 800.
And the Z 800 is intended for other calibers, but, look at what I found for the .308!
lightbulb
But, if you definitely need it backed-off at the lowest 4.5 power also, then the Z 800 will work for both close-quarter work and long-range. (What would the Z 1000 do at 4.5 power? - when it is set up for range at 12 power?)
Maybe we can't have our cake, and eat it too.
Zeiss Rapid Z 1000
Zeiss | 4.5-14x50 AO MC Conquest Riflescope | 52 14 90 9973
Zeiss Rapid Z 800
Zeiss 4.5-14x50 800
G-gear
[email protected]
'Been doing some hunting for the best scope for my Springfield M1A (M21).
Springfield Armory Rifles
gun)
ZEISS RAPID Z 1000 RETICLE vs. RAPID Z 800 RETICLE
Both are around $925
And both are 4.5-14x50
http://www.zeiss.de/C1256BCF0020BE5F/Contents-Frame/E34E4125AA548D6685256BCF0061320D
Note: Please enter your information into our Rapid-Z Calculator to ensure that you make the best possible reticle selection
based on your caliber, bullet, hunting conditions and location.
According to their calculator for the Rapid Z 1000 (designed for the .308 Match bullets):
This IS the value for .308, Sierra 168-gr. MK (BC =.462),
Velocity: 2,550 fps,
Elevation: 4,500 ft. ASL
Temp: 80 degrees F
The Rapid Z 1000
With their calculator, and the scope power ring set to 11.87 (12 power):
They say to zero dead-on at 500 yards with the Bar 5. (Bar 5 is the center crosshair.)
At Bar 1 will impact at 154 yards (or zero at 154 yards with Bar 1).
Bar 2 = 224 (Bars 1 - 4 are above the center crosshair Bar 5.)
Bar 3 = 316
Bar 4 = 406
Bar 5 = 500
Bar 6 = 595
Bar 7 = 692
Bar 8 = 791
Bar 9 = 892
Bar 10 = 993
This is seemingly unbeatable.
Now, with the Rapid Z 800:
With the M1A, same load, they say to put the power ring at 14 power.
Sight in at 1.77" high @ 100 yards for a 200 yard zero (Center Crosshairs).
Bar 2 will impact at 295 yards (an unmarked bar). (All Bars are below the center crosshairs.)
Bar 4 = 395
Bar 5 = 495
Bar 6 = 596
Bar 7 = 698
Bar 8 = 800
I know it's not 1,000 - but rather versatile anyway...
So, I'm deciding on which to choose. More field of view at 12 power with the Z 1000, than 14x on the Z 800.
And the Z 800 is intended for other calibers, but, look at what I found for the .308!
lightbulb
But, if you definitely need it backed-off at the lowest 4.5 power also, then the Z 800 will work for both close-quarter work and long-range. (What would the Z 1000 do at 4.5 power? - when it is set up for range at 12 power?)
Maybe we can't have our cake, and eat it too.
Zeiss Rapid Z 1000
Zeiss | 4.5-14x50 AO MC Conquest Riflescope | 52 14 90 9973
Zeiss Rapid Z 800
Zeiss 4.5-14x50 800
G-gear
[email protected]
