Zeiss Rapid Z Reticles

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  1. MT4XFore

    MT4XFore Well-Known Member

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    Gentlemen, unless I missed it, I haven't seen any discussion here about Zeiss' new reticles. Has anyone seen them up close and personal yet? Any thoughts or discussions??

    Jim
     
  2. chadcd

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    ...Has anyone seen them up close and personal yet?...
    Jim

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    I have shot the 600 and 800 from Zeiss. Any questions?

    I work for PFI (Pride Fowler Industries). Just putting that in there as a heads up.

    Chad
     

  3. RHutch

    RHutch Well-Known Member

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    ccd,
    How bout a through-the-scope picture of said reticle?

    Would really like to see that. Diagrams on the website are so 90's.
     
  4. MT4XFore

    MT4XFore Well-Known Member

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    Chad, I like the idea of a through-the-lens pic. I am interested in the varmint version for my 22-250AI. It looks easy to use and uncomplicated. Just wondering how it works and looks in real life is all. I understand that you might be a bit prejudiced, but that's ok with me. So far it doesn't look like many are on the market yet. Thanks for the answer,

    Jim
     
  5. chadcd

    chadcd Member

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    Chad, I like the idea of a through-the-lens pic. I am interested in the varmint version for my 22-250AI. It looks easy to use and uncomplicated. Just wondering how it works and looks in real life is all. I understand that you might be a bit prejudiced, but that's ok with me. So far it doesn't look like many are on the market yet. Thanks for the answer,

    Jim

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    Jim,
    Give me a day or two and I will see if I can get a photo of that reticle from Zeiss. It was not out the last time I shot the Zeiss/PFI lineup so, I have no experience with it.

    I'm not even sure if they are shipping yet. I will find out.

    What is the data on the 22-250AI? Bullet weight, bc and velocity?

    Chad
     
  6. MT4XFore

    MT4XFore Well-Known Member

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    Chad, The load I am using with great success right now is a Nosler Ballistic Tip, 55gr., B.C. .267, @ 3700 fps. I can push it faster, but it shoots so well I really have no need to punish the barrel any more than I already am. Thanks for the reply. How does the process work, I mean, how does Zeiss use your reticles in their scopes. Do you etch the glass and send it to them, or have they purchased the rights to use that reticle. Just curious. I am impressed with the rapid Z. Thanks again,
    God Bless
    Jim
     
  7. sscoyote

    sscoyote Well-Known Member

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    [ QUOTE ]
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    ...Has anyone seen them up close and personal yet?...
    Jim

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    I have shot the 600 and 800 from Zeiss. Any questions?

    I work for PFI (Pride Fowler Industries). Just putting that in there as a heads up.

    Chad

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    Hey Chad-- love my PFI scope-- it's the 22LR Rapid that i put on my AR-15. I simply adapted the reticle to the loads trajectory. That compact scope is the perfect combination for a long-range walking varminter on coyotes. My 70 y.o. mom shot a 2.5" gp. @ 425 yds. with that rig, perfectly centered using the reticle for drop/wind. My favorite ballistic/ranging reticle, IMO.

    Here's a link to some of the Zeiss offerings--

    http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6132&PN=1
     
  8. chadcd

    chadcd Member

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    .. How does the process work, I mean, how does Zeiss use your reticles in their scopes. Do you etch the glass and send it to them, or have they purchased the rights to use that reticle...

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    Jim,
    More or less "they purchased the rights to use that reticle", is correct, as I understand it.

    Chad
     
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    chadcd Member

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    ..-- it's the 22LR Rapid that i put on my AR-15. I simply adapted the reticle to the loads trajectory...

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    Good deal sscoyote. As you have found out the 22LR is a stout little scope. Can you email me the details on rifle, load and holds your are using, when you get some time?

    Thanks,
    Chad
    cdrayer'at'rapidreticle.com
     
  10. G-gear

    G-gear Well-Known Member

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    Zeiss Rapid Z 800 & 1000 scopes for M1A .308
    'Been doing some hunting for the best scope for my Springfield M1A (M21).

    http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/i...hp/cPath/36_41

    gun)

    ZEISS RAPID Z 1000 RETICLE vs. RAPID Z 800 RETICLE
    Both are around $925
    And both are 4.5-14x50

    http://www.zeiss.de/C1256BCF0020BE5F/Contents-Frame/E34E4125AA548D6685256BCF0061320D

    Note: Please enter your information into our Rapid-Z Calculator to ensure that you make the best possible reticle selection
    based on your caliber, bullet, hunting conditions and location.

    According to their calculator for the Rapid Z 1000 (designed for the .308 Match bullets):
    This IS the value for .308, Sierra 168-gr. MK (BC =.462),
    Velocity: 2,550 fps,
    Elevation: 4,500 ft. ASL
    Temp: 80 degrees F

    The Rapid Z 1000
    With their calculator, and the scope power ring set to 11.87 (12 power):
    They say to zero dead-on at 500 yards with the Bar 5.
    At Bar 1 will impact at 154 yards (or zero at 154 yards with Bar 1).
    Bar 2 = 224
    Bar 3 = 316
    Bar 4 = 406
    Bar 5 = 500
    Bar 6 = 595
    Bar 7 = 692
    Bar 8 = 791
    Bar 9 = 892
    Bar 10 = 993
    This is seemingly unbeatable.

    Now, with the Rapid Z 800:
    With the M1A, same load, they say to put the power ring at 14 power.
    Sight in at 1.77" high @ 100 yards for a 200 yard zero (Crosshairs).
    Bar 2 will impact at 295 yards (unmarked bar)
    Bar 4 = 395
    Bar 5 = 495
    Bar 6 = 596
    Bar 7 = 698
    Bar 8 = 800

    I know it's not 1,000 - but rather versatile anyway...

    :rolleyes: So, I'm deciding on which to choose.
    More field of view at 12 power with the Z 1000, than 14x on the Z 800.
    And the Z 800 is intended for other calibers, but, look at what I found for the .308!

    Zeiss Rapid Z 1000
    Zeiss | 4.5-14x50 AO MC Conquest Riflescope | 52 14 90 9973

    Zeiss Rapid Z 800
    Zeiss 4.5-14x50 800



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  11. G-gear

    G-gear Well-Known Member

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    UPDATE

    'Been doing some hunting for the best scope for my Springfield M1A (M21).

    Springfield Armory Rifles

    gun)

    ZEISS RAPID Z 1000 RETICLE vs. RAPID Z 800 RETICLE
    Both are around $925
    And both are 4.5-14x50

    http://www.zeiss.de/C1256BCF0020BE5F/Contents-Frame/E34E4125AA548D6685256BCF0061320D

    Note: Please enter your information into our Rapid-Z Calculator to ensure that you make the best possible reticle selection
    based on your caliber, bullet, hunting conditions and location.

    According to their calculator for the Rapid Z 1000 (designed for the .308 Match bullets):
    This IS the value for .308, Sierra 168-gr. MK (BC =.462),
    Velocity: 2,550 fps,
    Elevation: 4,500 ft. ASL
    Temp: 80 degrees F

    The Rapid Z 1000
    With their calculator, and the scope power ring set to 11.87 (12 power):
    They say to zero dead-on at 500 yards with the Bar 5. (Bar 5 is the center crosshair.)
    At Bar 1 will impact at 154 yards (or zero at 154 yards with Bar 1).
    Bar 2 = 224 (Bars 1 - 4 are above the center crosshair Bar 5.)
    Bar 3 = 316
    Bar 4 = 406
    Bar 5 = 500
    Bar 6 = 595
    Bar 7 = 692
    Bar 8 = 791
    Bar 9 = 892
    Bar 10 = 993
    This is seemingly unbeatable.

    Now, with the Rapid Z 800:
    With the M1A, same load, they say to put the power ring at 14 power.
    Sight in at 1.77" high @ 100 yards for a 200 yard zero (Center Crosshairs).
    Bar 2 will impact at 295 yards (an unmarked bar). (All Bars are below the center crosshairs.)
    Bar 4 = 395
    Bar 5 = 495
    Bar 6 = 596
    Bar 7 = 698
    Bar 8 = 800

    I know it's not 1,000 - but rather versatile anyway...

    :rolleyes: So, I'm deciding on which to choose.
    More field of view at 12 power with the Z 1000, than 14x on the Z 800.
    And the Z 800 is intended for other calibers, but, look at what I found for the .308!

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    But, if you definitely need it backed-off at the lowest 4.5 power also, then the Z 800 will work for both close-quarter work and long-range. (What would the Z 1000 do at 4.5 power? - when it is set up for range at 12 power?)

    Maybe we can't have our cake, and eat it too. :D


    Zeiss Rapid Z 1000
    Zeiss | 4.5-14x50 AO MC Conquest Riflescope | 52 14 90 9973

    Zeiss Rapid Z 800
    Zeiss 4.5-14x50 800


    G-gear
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