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<blockquote data-quote="Fiftydriver" data-source="post: 586784" data-attributes="member: 10"><p>SpenserSS,</p><p> </p><p>I made that point because in spite of all the preperation we do for long range hunting, we still end up taking 80% of our big game at ranges under 300 yards unless your setting up specifically to take nothing but a long range shot. Few Hunters do this, many long range hunters have the ability to take game out past 1000 yards but seldom do.</p><p> </p><p>Fair enough question though, your right, if we are talking about 700 yard impacts then there should be no problem with the partitions performance terminally from what I am taking from your reply.</p><p> </p><p>My reply to you is that if my comment is not relavent, how can you consider a 95 gr. partition relavent when talking about +700 yard shooting. As you stated in your own comments, you do not use the 95 gr partition for long rnage shooting, its mainly a shorter range option for big game hunting.</p><p> </p><p>From what you have discribed, you are not impacting the partitions with high velocity.... Remember this is a relative thing. All of the chamberings you state you use are very moderate velocity chamberings at best. I am not saying they are not good chamberings in any way but they are by no means high velocity rounds.</p><p> </p><p>I have done expansion testing with the Partition bullets in the following combos:</p><p> </p><p>140 gr 6.5mm in 6.5mm Allen Magnum @ 3500 fps</p><p> </p><p>140 gr 7mm in 7mm Rem Mag @ 3380 fps</p><p> </p><p>140 gr 7mm in 7mm RUM at 3500 fps</p><p> </p><p>160 gr 7mm in 7mm RUM at 3250 fps</p><p> </p><p>180 gr 30 cal in 300 RUM at 3350 fps</p><p> </p><p>200 gr 30 cal in 300 RUM at 3210 fps</p><p> </p><p>The testing was done into my expansion fixture which holds water filled milkjugs or water soaked phone books. In every one of the above tests, the partitions had higher then 50% partition wall failure at ranges under 200 yards. That was the very best results. </p><p> </p><p>The worst results were obviously the highest velocity tests in 6.5mm AM, 7mm RUM and 300 RUM(180 gr) tests. In those four tests, partition wall faliure happened over 70% of the time. Total number of bullets fired was a minumum of 30 for each caliber and bullet weight and range. </p><p> </p><p>Expansion testing was stopped at 300 yards with the slower chamberings and 400 yards with the fastest as this is where reliable performance started 100% of the time.</p><p> </p><p>In interesting point, I put a 180 gr Partition in my 300 Allen Xpress loaded to 3650 fps and the partition ruptured at a measured 750 yards when impacting water filled milk jugs. Now that is an extreme velocity case but it proves my next point.</p><p> </p><p>The Accubond bullet, when it was released was put through the same testes as above. Not only was there no bullet failure, close range penetration was far superior to the partition running at least 15 to 20% deeper penetration on impacts between 200 and 300 yards.</p><p> </p><p>At longer ranges, the acccubond held tighter groups, expanded at least as well if not more reliably then the partitions. Plus they had much improved long range ballistic performance.</p><p> </p><p>All in all, in my opinion, the parition is obsolete when you compare it head to head with the newer Accubond design. THe only draw back I have seen with the Accubond is that because of its very heavy base and very thick jacket wall, if you get a rifle with a looser bore, accuracy can suffer but I have only seen three rifles in hundreds that did not shoot the Accubond extremely well. I have seen far more not like the Partition.</p><p> </p><p>Anyway, back to the topic at hand, in your use, for closer range conventional hunting, the parition would likely work just fine, for long range hunting which I assumed we were talking about since we are on the headliner long range hunting web site, its rather anemic in pretty much any way.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fiftydriver, post: 586784, member: 10"] SpenserSS, I made that point because in spite of all the preperation we do for long range hunting, we still end up taking 80% of our big game at ranges under 300 yards unless your setting up specifically to take nothing but a long range shot. Few Hunters do this, many long range hunters have the ability to take game out past 1000 yards but seldom do. Fair enough question though, your right, if we are talking about 700 yard impacts then there should be no problem with the partitions performance terminally from what I am taking from your reply. My reply to you is that if my comment is not relavent, how can you consider a 95 gr. partition relavent when talking about +700 yard shooting. As you stated in your own comments, you do not use the 95 gr partition for long rnage shooting, its mainly a shorter range option for big game hunting. From what you have discribed, you are not impacting the partitions with high velocity.... Remember this is a relative thing. All of the chamberings you state you use are very moderate velocity chamberings at best. I am not saying they are not good chamberings in any way but they are by no means high velocity rounds. I have done expansion testing with the Partition bullets in the following combos: 140 gr 6.5mm in 6.5mm Allen Magnum @ 3500 fps 140 gr 7mm in 7mm Rem Mag @ 3380 fps 140 gr 7mm in 7mm RUM at 3500 fps 160 gr 7mm in 7mm RUM at 3250 fps 180 gr 30 cal in 300 RUM at 3350 fps 200 gr 30 cal in 300 RUM at 3210 fps The testing was done into my expansion fixture which holds water filled milkjugs or water soaked phone books. In every one of the above tests, the partitions had higher then 50% partition wall failure at ranges under 200 yards. That was the very best results. The worst results were obviously the highest velocity tests in 6.5mm AM, 7mm RUM and 300 RUM(180 gr) tests. In those four tests, partition wall faliure happened over 70% of the time. Total number of bullets fired was a minumum of 30 for each caliber and bullet weight and range. Expansion testing was stopped at 300 yards with the slower chamberings and 400 yards with the fastest as this is where reliable performance started 100% of the time. In interesting point, I put a 180 gr Partition in my 300 Allen Xpress loaded to 3650 fps and the partition ruptured at a measured 750 yards when impacting water filled milk jugs. Now that is an extreme velocity case but it proves my next point. The Accubond bullet, when it was released was put through the same testes as above. Not only was there no bullet failure, close range penetration was far superior to the partition running at least 15 to 20% deeper penetration on impacts between 200 and 300 yards. At longer ranges, the acccubond held tighter groups, expanded at least as well if not more reliably then the partitions. Plus they had much improved long range ballistic performance. All in all, in my opinion, the parition is obsolete when you compare it head to head with the newer Accubond design. THe only draw back I have seen with the Accubond is that because of its very heavy base and very thick jacket wall, if you get a rifle with a looser bore, accuracy can suffer but I have only seen three rifles in hundreds that did not shoot the Accubond extremely well. I have seen far more not like the Partition. Anyway, back to the topic at hand, in your use, for closer range conventional hunting, the parition would likely work just fine, for long range hunting which I assumed we were talking about since we are on the headliner long range hunting web site, its rather anemic in pretty much any way. [/QUOTE]
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