WRONG GUNS GUYS...be a hunter pls

Discussion in 'Long Range Hunting & Shooting' started by soundwaves, Dec 15, 2011.

  1. soundwaves

    soundwaves Well-Known Member

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    why do you guys use rifles like 300RUM 338LM and so on. for normal deer at shortish ranges like 300-400-500 yards? you dont need to use that much gun powder. l always try and put a hole in the animal-but it looks like you dudes are trying to drill a hole in the mountanin aswell as the animal. and go to the pub and talk about it '' l shot a deer today from 350 yards and my bullet whent 2 meters in to the side of the mountain after exiting the deer. and the other guy sais- ohh whell thats nothing l shot a deer from 200 yards the bullet first whent through 5 pine trees then killing the animal and l found the bullet 10 feet inside the mountain. you wanna advice. use 30-06 308 7mm-08 and so on and for extender ranges for deer go with a 7mm rem mag or a 300 wm. you dont need bigger rounds. remember you shoot beter with less recoıl.:) and the 270 ofcourse. if you gonna kill big big game than ok 300rum is allright.



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  2. C.O. Shooter

    C.O. Shooter Well-Known Member

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    I thought I would carry this over from the other thread you responded to:

    "Not to start any trouble, but caliber is an individual choice! You do you and maybe not worry about everyone else!"

    Respectfully!
     
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  3. soundwaves

    soundwaves Well-Known Member

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    this is my idea any how. you might not think the saim as l do ofcouse.

    not trying to tech you anything
     
  4. geargrinder

    geargrinder Well-Known Member

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    A Yugo will get you to work and back every day. Do you drive something better? Why?

    I shoot what I shoot because I am confident in my skills with it and I am confident in its ability to kill what I am shooting at.

    I shoot my big stuff because I know it can kill as far as I can comfortably shoot. I know it will also kill at the shorter, 3-500 yard ranges that you mentioned.
     
  5. Tikkamike

    Tikkamike Well-Known Member

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    well since this post is about me and CO Shooter I guess I will respond again as well. The answer is simple, it my gun, my tag and my choice. Is there something wrong with using a 338 lapua for deer antelope coyotes even prairie dogs?? I am a Long Range hunter but as any real long range hunter knows its doesnt always work out that way some times you see that Big buck at close range so your long range rifle is now a close range rifle... I dont see whats hard to understand about that. There is no wrong gun as long as its capable of doing the job.
     
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  6. C.O. Shooter

    C.O. Shooter Well-Known Member

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    From a .22 to a .50 BMG, a well placed shot will get the job done! The animal/or whatever will not know the difference what it was shot with! Dead is Dead!
     
  7. bigngreen

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    You'll get some the "my gun is bigger than yours" stuff but on this site you'll have guys shooting and planning for deer at 1000+ yards but then run into them at 50 yards, we're using larger rifle for the ballistics to get things done at long range. Planning for your longest shot sometimes puts you into the position of shooting something small at close range with more horse power than is needed.

    You'll also find guys packing for the largest game they will be shooting so then you ramp up for that as well, packing for long range elk then having a mule deer try to commit suicide 50 feet in front of you.

    And last but not least a sweet shooting 338 LM is hard to leave at home!!!!
     
  8. Tikkamike

    Tikkamike Well-Known Member

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    well said!
     
  9. C.O. Shooter

    C.O. Shooter Well-Known Member

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    It kind of goes hand in hand with carrying a concealed weapon! "I would rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it!"
     
  10. crowsnest2002

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    I think the point most of these gentlemen on here are using is the variable. At extended distances its pretty much down to killing the animal as humanely as possible. If your bullet hits bones, ie ribs it will definately perform differently than just going through soft tissue. Also what hunting situations can be guaranteed to pose long distance shooting all the time? Nature always has a way of throwing the unknown into the equation. I do not have much right to tell someone else they should do this or that, but it is my responsibility to make sure the animal is taken as humanely as possible. The gentlemen you are referring to that brag about these killings are probably not using the right type of bullets to take these animals. Using something that will deliver maximum killing power coupled with expansion appropriate for the hunted animal is what I prefer. To each his own I guess. Personally I dont have any larger caliber weapons than a .308 win , but for the distances I shoot I dont have much need for more than this. I also realize my limits with this round. For a long story short, you cant use a 220 grain bullet and expect it not to go through a whitetail at 100 yards.

    I guess thats my rant. Just stay in your lane if you can, and if I'm out of tone feel free to delete this post.
     
  11. winmag

    winmag Well-Known Member

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    This is a "long range" site. Many of us shoot quite a ways out there. Many people work all year tuning thier loads to the best of thier ability so they can make that long range shot. Thier loads shoot bigger bullets with higher sectional density & higher b.c. bullets with enough speed to make them more effective at long range. Try to shoot a 200 gr Accubond with a 308 for example (a cartrige you listed) & there just isn't enough there to push it with enough energy to hit hard at long range -in comparison-. Sure it will buck the wind better, but the bullet never gets a fair chance to deliver energy when it starts that slow -in comparison- to that same bullet from a RUM or simmilar cartrige at long range. Great for punching paper, but run jbm ballistics calc. max speed of a 308 vs a 300 RUM using identicle 200, 210, 230 gr high b.c. bullets. You'll see very clearly why.
    The advantage to shooting bigger magnums is strictly to take advantage of higher b.c. bullets wich prove extremely effective the farther you shoot. Less wind drift, & more retained energy downrange is important. It's not a who's is bigger contest.
    As for the 2-300 Yd deer thing, would you pass on a great buck because you wanted to go back home to get your smaller deer gun? Or would you scare him off so you could shoot farther? Or would you shoot him where he stood, with the rifle you were carying? Now after all that, would you tell your Buddies about your buck, or would you keep it a secret cause you used your L/R rifle at close range? I haven't had to let one walk yet because of being "overgunned", & I'm not ashamed 1 bit.
    Now reverse that situation. If you don't have enough retained energy at long range to be effective, why bother if your intent is "long range" on big game. Many of us here don't just deer hunt with our rifles. Heck, some folks live in Griz country. Why not use a bigger cartrige?
    The cartriges you mentioned in your post are all great cartriges. Many folks use them to great effect at long range on a veriety of critters. I'm not pushing horsepower over shot placement. But if you live in a place where you can shoot Deer, Elk, Bear, etc as far as you can shoot effectively, its way more effective to have both horsepower, & shot placement if you plan on taking long range shots.
    I guess some folks never get a chance to leave the deep woods & see big open places, & big animals.
    Now as for the snide remark you made about "want some advise...?" No. Not from you. Remember this is a long range site. People will use thier chosen cartrige, no matter what it may be, for thier chosen style of hunting to the best of thier ability. That doesn't make it wrong or right for you or me personally.

    On another note, I've killed plenty of critters with a 270, & 30-06, from Deer, Elk, & Bear, to varmints. They are great cartriges too. I'm not nocking the 308, or other rigs simmilar in class. They are plenty effective at a veriaety of ranges, including long range, on a lot of game. I shoot larger cartriges now a days to suit my personal hunting style, & places I hunt, & animals I am hunting at ranges from 6 feet to as far as I can effectively shoot. Some cartriges fit the bill better for me than other cartriges that fit the bill for you & your personal hunting style.
     
  12. ishootkittens

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    +1000 enough said. I don't agree with using a .338 for a 200yard deer either, but if I could afford to shoot it I'm sure I would have one in my arsenal. This guy sounds like me when I first came to this sight. "Why such big calibers, why such long barrels, why such high powered scopes, why only custom guns?" You guys have taught me so much in my short time here at LRH. Thanks guys. Living in "thick" virginia my whole life I never needed the 30inch barrels or the benchrest stocks.. but its nice to come on here and look at the dark side of the moon from my perspective. Also, for the original poster, look in my signature at the bottom. Kirby Allen sums it up nicely as to why big cartridges are sometimes necessary.
     
  13. ss7mm

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    I think that before making a post like this that you would have stopped to consider a lot of things before putting "pen to paper". You live half way around the world and more than likely hunt different terrain and different animals at different ranges.

    You've been around here a couple of years but don't seem to have grasped the concept of this site. The guys have pretty well explained it so I won't go over it but if you want to use a round that has limited range then maybe it would be best to stay in a forum not designated as "Long Range Hunting & Shooting".

    You seem to make some assumptions about our membership and that's not a great method to use in my opinion. Quite possible in your part of the world a round with what some here would consider to have limited long range possibilities can and would handle most if not all of the hunting situations you may encounter where you hunt. But.......like has been stated, nobody is going to carry multiple guns when out hunting and are not going to carry a gun with limited range capabilities and then go out hunting in country that can present a shot at very long range.

    I hunt with a gun that is capable of killing a deer at 1500-2000 yards but I've also shot a deer with it at under 100 yards. Overkill, maybe. Did the bullet mow down half of the forest and also dig a new underground mine before coming to its final resting point? Nary a tree was killed in making the shot and none of the ground was plowed up beyond recognition. Would I leave my dedicated long range rig home and then wish I had it when a longer shot was presented? No way, I can take a shot from 100 yards to 1000 yards and know that my equipment will handle it.

    If long range, as practiced here in the states, is not exactly your cup of tea and you want to use a less potent round and sneak up on them, then more power to you but I'd suggest you look up at the top of the page and notice the site name. There's no "short" in it. LongRangeHunting
     
  14. 300 ultra

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    Not me, but I know Tikkamike shoots big guns to compensate for other issues. He also has his truck lifted with 44" tires on it. Myself I drive a Geo metro and shoot 22 calibers..