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Would you be happy with a 270-08 AI ?
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<blockquote data-quote="Alibiiv" data-source="post: 2587804" data-attributes="member: 69192"><p>Well...............it read something about .277 caliber so it caught my attention immediately. I do understand what you are writing about when you talk about building a "fun" rifle. A few years back I decided that I "wanted" not "needed" to build a fun rifle, and....I wanted a taste of what it meant to reload for a "wildcat" cartridge. I was going to build a .280 Ackley Improved, but I did not like what Nosler did to the round messing with the overall length of the cartridge instead of using the Ackley principle of keeping the parent cartridge!! So after some long consideration I decided to build a .270 Ackley Improved. For al the life in my I cannot figure out the reasons that this cartridge has not caught on, but it hasn't. So I built two (my son has a good father), .270 Ackley Improved rifles on Ruger 77 actions (blueprinted) with 26 inch, 1:10 Lilja barrels. I get 3300+- fps with 150gr ABLRs, but the rifles we have like around 3100 fps, so...it's 3100 fps it is. At 3300 fps the brass is not too happy as in primer pockets loosen up after two or three reloads. I built this rifle with deer hunting in mind, and if I win the lottery a mule deer/antelope hunt out west that accepts guiding "cranky ole guys"!!!! If I were to build these rifles again I would use the same barrel length and twist. I call them two-shot rifles because when they were built they were contoured to the factory barrel's dimensions; so they are a bit on the wispy side and they do heat up rather quickly. I have attached one of our 300 yard targets that we've shot with these rifles. This target is a 300 yard target with a 100 yard zero. If the rifle is sighted with a 200 yard zero it would be around a 5 inch drop at 300 yards instead of the 9 inch.</p><p></p><p>Now as for an "all-around-rifle", I am not so certain there is such a thing because if that were true I would not have any reason to have a safe full of hunting rifles. Now I'm going to go out on a limb here (probably get attacked, but....) however I believe the 30-06 to be about as versatile of a rifle as one could find. My "all-around-rifle" is a Remington 700 ADL, with a Leupold VX III scope and is in 30-06, that I bought new in 1969 for my father. That "all-around-rifle" has not been shot or has not left the safe in 10-15 years, but....it's my all-around-rifle that is a go-to rifle if all else fails and I run out of specialty rifles. The reason that the all-around-rifle really doesn't come out of the safe is because I've built rifles to hunt whatever game I am hunting; and, these rifles include lever and pump actions as well so as to not be limited to bolt-action only.</p><p></p><p>If you are hard core about a .277 build I believe there are better cartridges out there to build in the .277 range than the .277-08; but. if that's what you want to build then it is up to you to answer that question. I would suggest the .270 WSM with a 24-26 inch to get all of the horsepower out of this cartridge, 1:75 or 1:8 twist barrel to shoot the heavies if you would like. You'll have the uniqueness of a .270 WSM that is capable of shooting the heavy, high BC bullets. I believe the .270 WSM is a much better cartridge than the 6.8 Western due to the increased powder volume, and believe this round was designed and adopted to sell firearms and make a wow factor to write about in gun magazines and nothing more. As for recoil, from what you have written you are a reloader, and with that in mind there's no reason that this cartridge cannot be downloaded to ease the pain in the shoulder department. And....as for opinions on what rifle/cartridge/caliber to build I am certain that there are at least as many opinions as there are cartridges that are out there. I'm not certain if I have helped you, or bored you with this dissertation; however, no matter what have fun with your build.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Alibiiv, post: 2587804, member: 69192"] Well...............it read something about .277 caliber so it caught my attention immediately. I do understand what you are writing about when you talk about building a "fun" rifle. A few years back I decided that I "wanted" not "needed" to build a fun rifle, and....I wanted a taste of what it meant to reload for a "wildcat" cartridge. I was going to build a .280 Ackley Improved, but I did not like what Nosler did to the round messing with the overall length of the cartridge instead of using the Ackley principle of keeping the parent cartridge!! So after some long consideration I decided to build a .270 Ackley Improved. For al the life in my I cannot figure out the reasons that this cartridge has not caught on, but it hasn't. So I built two (my son has a good father), .270 Ackley Improved rifles on Ruger 77 actions (blueprinted) with 26 inch, 1:10 Lilja barrels. I get 3300+- fps with 150gr ABLRs, but the rifles we have like around 3100 fps, so...it's 3100 fps it is. At 3300 fps the brass is not too happy as in primer pockets loosen up after two or three reloads. I built this rifle with deer hunting in mind, and if I win the lottery a mule deer/antelope hunt out west that accepts guiding "cranky ole guys"!!!! If I were to build these rifles again I would use the same barrel length and twist. I call them two-shot rifles because when they were built they were contoured to the factory barrel's dimensions; so they are a bit on the wispy side and they do heat up rather quickly. I have attached one of our 300 yard targets that we've shot with these rifles. This target is a 300 yard target with a 100 yard zero. If the rifle is sighted with a 200 yard zero it would be around a 5 inch drop at 300 yards instead of the 9 inch. Now as for an "all-around-rifle", I am not so certain there is such a thing because if that were true I would not have any reason to have a safe full of hunting rifles. Now I'm going to go out on a limb here (probably get attacked, but....) however I believe the 30-06 to be about as versatile of a rifle as one could find. My "all-around-rifle" is a Remington 700 ADL, with a Leupold VX III scope and is in 30-06, that I bought new in 1969 for my father. That "all-around-rifle" has not been shot or has not left the safe in 10-15 years, but....it's my all-around-rifle that is a go-to rifle if all else fails and I run out of specialty rifles. The reason that the all-around-rifle really doesn't come out of the safe is because I've built rifles to hunt whatever game I am hunting; and, these rifles include lever and pump actions as well so as to not be limited to bolt-action only. If you are hard core about a .277 build I believe there are better cartridges out there to build in the .277 range than the .277-08; but. if that's what you want to build then it is up to you to answer that question. I would suggest the .270 WSM with a 24-26 inch to get all of the horsepower out of this cartridge, 1:75 or 1:8 twist barrel to shoot the heavies if you would like. You'll have the uniqueness of a .270 WSM that is capable of shooting the heavy, high BC bullets. I believe the .270 WSM is a much better cartridge than the 6.8 Western due to the increased powder volume, and believe this round was designed and adopted to sell firearms and make a wow factor to write about in gun magazines and nothing more. As for recoil, from what you have written you are a reloader, and with that in mind there's no reason that this cartridge cannot be downloaded to ease the pain in the shoulder department. And....as for opinions on what rifle/cartridge/caliber to build I am certain that there are at least as many opinions as there are cartridges that are out there. I'm not certain if I have helped you, or bored you with this dissertation; however, no matter what have fun with your build. [/QUOTE]
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