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Discussion in 'Long Range Scopes and Other Optics' started by Len Backus, May 15, 2014.
Obviously it would be a compromise but what do you think?
I think Yes, IF it has a useful power ring and reticule on the SFP, like 20-40x so on the big end 40x the reticule subtention would be 1 moa or 1 mil and the lower end 20x it would be double 2 moa or 2 mil.
As long as the reticule is designed to be used on both ends it would be fine.
Not so sure, I would like it in SFP. When I use a spotter, I usually zoom until the target is bracketed in the field of view the way I want. That is usually not at min. or max. zoom. And I usually do not pay attention to the zoom factor. Once I have the target in view, I don't even want to touch the zoom again. It is too easy to move a spotter off the target that way.
Depends on your use(s).
For calling correction for others a FFP is a real plus, since I can use it at any magnification.
The reticle needs to be useful/practical as well.
Also needs to have enough eye relief to be used with prescription glasses and or shooting glasses and still be able to see a full FOV.
I would think with the wide range of magnification (20x60) for an average. A FFP would be a worse wreck than ever. Too small on the bottom end and obstructing too much on the top. Common complaint of most all FFP's even when only 5 x20. So my choice would be a SFP, calibrated in MOA at about the 40 X mark, with a fine reticle like the MOAR T. 40X seems to be a useful number in a wide array of situations. Then if it had a light detent at that calibrated setting, so you would know without looking you were there while adjusting the magnification, it would be user friendly with all the benefits of the SFP.
Somewhere in the 12-40 range. I would be content for even less magnification on the top if the glass is good.
There would be a place where it was calibrated, lets say 1 moa at 40X then maybe another lower where it would be a 2 moa reticle like 20X. Works for me!
We run an moa reticle in our vortex razor 20-60 spotter it is 30x and works awesome for a spotter and corrections it is also available in mil rad.
FFP. I know there are limitations with the reticle thickness on FFP but with practice this can be minimized. For me the bigger issue is with SFP not on a predetermined power to maximize use of all power settings and ability to spot trace and splash with simple math corrections. Take a warm day with much mirage. A set SFP with 1 MOA at 40X may be too much power for the mirage and 20X may not have the magnification you want or desire. FFP allows you to adjust your power down until you can manage both without having a math nightmare when you should be focused on spotting. Both have their advantages and disadvantages but a fixed MOA or MIL on any power can be more usable to the conditions and with practice a work around with the reticle thickness.
One determining factor could be the cost difference between a quality FFP and SFP spotter. This may limit availability for many due just with the cost. A reasonably priced SFP with a set MOA or MIL setting in the 20X range may also be the ticket for many.
One more aspect, the perfect spotter for many either FFP or SFP would have the capability to record and review a shot and well worth the pot of gold at the end of a rainbow. Having a separate spotter and cameraman takes additional resources and coordination. One unit that will allow for both would be ideal. While having a hunt on video is nice for the hunter/huntress the primary purpose for my needs is to confirm bullet impact. Reviewing a shot before tracing several hundred yards to recover an animal that has moved out of sight is nerve racking. Reviewing a video to confirm shot placement is that pot of gold with decisions regarding time to wait before recovery.
I apologize for getting off topic Len but something to consider should this option become available.
Shoosh....I'll go halves with you on development.
I have had the fixed eye-piece in both MIL & MOA.
The one thing I don't like is its lack of eye relief for those wearing any kind of glasses. And it is a fixed magnification.
What Ernie and Broz said with a good dose of MMERSS thrown in.
Not having a calibrated mil/MOA reticle is a bummer for calling accurate corrections.
A variable zoom digital camera properly mounted to the spotter is great.
The GOPRO is a bit too wide angle. What works best for me is a point and shoot on 3X and the spotter on 30X.
Calling correction is done by watching the video and using the graduated reticle. Works great for everything except hunting.
The mil/MOA reticle in the spotter Is a must. Would prefer FFP but would settle for SFP and not grouse even a little bit.
I really want a variable in FFP with a useable MOA reticle that has LER for glasses and WA (like a Leupold's 12-40).
The video option is not required for me.
I will be using it for hunting, calling correction for folks shooting steel at distance, long-range roving field courses or tactical matches.