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<blockquote data-quote="Coyboy" data-source="post: 592716" data-attributes="member: 3733"><p>the first article was based off the second you posted which was done by;</p><p><em>Contact: Dan Stark, Wolf Specialist</em></p><p><em>Division of Fish and Wildlife, Minnesota Department of Natural Resources</em></p><p></p><p>The second author couldn't even relate the same numbers to his biased rag, taken from Don's work.</p><p></p><p>Don may know his **** but being the wolf specialist of course he would blame everything but the obvious.</p><p></p><p>If Don is so smart why does he not talk about increased winter kill on deer based on wolf harassment????, or the number of does aborting there fetuses due to added stress and lack of feed, due to wolf disruptions on deer yards???</p><p></p><p><strong>Because he does not want to expose the truth</strong></p><p></p><p>He discusses the age of tracked does as being very old up to 18 years old.</p><p></p><p>What does this tell anyone with NR knowledge, and old population is typical of an area that has: a very low hunter harvest, and has a high predatory numbers.</p><p>Contrary to the bad science they push, young animals are always weak, that's why most calf elk and deer fawns in high wolf ares are low to absent, this creates and older age structure. Older deer are also more adept at evading wolf depredation as a learned skill. Hunters in high harvest areas keep healthier heard, than predators as the age structure is lowered and the turnover of older non-fertile females is taken off the landscape by hunters to leave open area for productive females. </p><p></p><p>Wolf experts??? Don is a wolf environmentalist, promoting them at the detriment of other wildlife.</p><p></p><p></p><p>from the article;</p><p></p><p><em>The long-term MNDNR study concentrated on female deer (about 450 during the course of the </em></p><p><em>study), because there are more of them in the population, and due to their reproductive potential, they </em></p><p><em>have a greater impact on population dynamics than the males. During the 15-year study, the annual </em></p><p><em>mortality rate of female deer (not including newborns) attributable to wolf predation, ranged from 4% to </em></p><p><em>22%. The highest rate was observed in 1996 during the severe winter of 1995-1996, but most typically, </em></p><p><em>the mortality rate of does attributable to wolf predation was closer to 5-10%. Additionally, what the</em></p><p><em>data have shown is that the reason white-tailed deer can thrive, despite wolf predation and hunter </em></p><p><em>harvests, is their strong population performance (survival capacity and reproductive success). The </em></p><p><em>annual average age of females was 5.1 to 7.2 years old, and approximately 13% of the does were 10.5 to </em></p><p><em>18.5 years old. In the forest zone, on average, does live a lot longer than managers and researchers had </em></p><p><em>ever thought. Coupled with that, the pregnancy rates are very high, 90% in yearlings, and 95-100% in </em></p><p><em>does from 2.5 years old up to at least 15.5 years. Of the pregnant does, even the older ones, are mostly </em></p><p><em>still having twins. Interestingly, the median age of survival of these deer is 0.8 years old, but in most </em></p><p><em>cases, there is another fawn to add to the population. </em></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Lets continue to quote studies that are in "wolf terms" ancient material, can we get an accurate study from 2005 or newer??</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Coyboy, post: 592716, member: 3733"] the first article was based off the second you posted which was done by; [I]Contact: Dan Stark, Wolf Specialist Division of Fish and Wildlife, Minnesota Department of Natural Resources[/I] The second author couldn't even relate the same numbers to his biased rag, taken from Don's work. Don may know his **** but being the wolf specialist of course he would blame everything but the obvious. If Don is so smart why does he not talk about increased winter kill on deer based on wolf harassment????, or the number of does aborting there fetuses due to added stress and lack of feed, due to wolf disruptions on deer yards??? [B]Because he does not want to expose the truth[/B] He discusses the age of tracked does as being very old up to 18 years old. What does this tell anyone with NR knowledge, and old population is typical of an area that has: a very low hunter harvest, and has a high predatory numbers. Contrary to the bad science they push, young animals are always weak, that's why most calf elk and deer fawns in high wolf ares are low to absent, this creates and older age structure. Older deer are also more adept at evading wolf depredation as a learned skill. Hunters in high harvest areas keep healthier heard, than predators as the age structure is lowered and the turnover of older non-fertile females is taken off the landscape by hunters to leave open area for productive females. Wolf experts??? Don is a wolf environmentalist, promoting them at the detriment of other wildlife. from the article; [I]The long-term MNDNR study concentrated on female deer (about 450 during the course of the study), because there are more of them in the population, and due to their reproductive potential, they have a greater impact on population dynamics than the males. During the 15-year study, the annual mortality rate of female deer (not including newborns) attributable to wolf predation, ranged from 4% to 22%. The highest rate was observed in 1996 during the severe winter of 1995-1996, but most typically, the mortality rate of does attributable to wolf predation was closer to 5-10%. Additionally, what the data have shown is that the reason white-tailed deer can thrive, despite wolf predation and hunter harvests, is their strong population performance (survival capacity and reproductive success). The annual average age of females was 5.1 to 7.2 years old, and approximately 13% of the does were 10.5 to 18.5 years old. In the forest zone, on average, does live a lot longer than managers and researchers had ever thought. Coupled with that, the pregnancy rates are very high, 90% in yearlings, and 95-100% in does from 2.5 years old up to at least 15.5 years. Of the pregnant does, even the older ones, are mostly still having twins. Interestingly, the median age of survival of these deer is 0.8 years old, but in most cases, there is another fawn to add to the population. [/I] Lets continue to quote studies that are in "wolf terms" ancient material, can we get an accurate study from 2005 or newer?? [/QUOTE]
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