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<blockquote data-quote="Jammer65" data-source="post: 774719" data-attributes="member: 49757"><p>My comment about being one of cost was referring to the design level of the manufacturing process, not the end user cost of the system. When the Marine corp was planning what was to be their first official sniper rifle in the early 60's (M40-A1), the Winchester was the action that was in most use and most preferred. What changed that was the redesign that Winchester did in 1964 that went to a conventional push feed system. That along with other quality control factors that became an issue with the New Haven plant at that time was the deciding factor in choosing the Reminton. Had Winchster not made that move, the lexicon of the Remington 700 would simply never have existed. Naturally Winchster didnt stand still on the quality control issue and with the advent of CNC production machinery, was able to convert back to the classic CRF style for the model 70. Unfortunately for Winchester, the ship had sailed and Remington had the momentum and the aftermarket parts base captured. Winchester 70 and FN bolt actions (same thing) are now being made in a state of the art facility in Coumbia South Carolina where many of the US military machine guns and other weapons are manufactured. </p><p> </p><p>If you go to any national level precision rifle shoot, you will have to look far down the finishers list to find an actual Remington. The custom actions that build on their footprint have long ago left the actual 700s in the dust. The realization has been made that a sporting action modified for sniper use has run its course. If you look at the finalists for the new SOCOM solicitation for the next generation sniper rifle that is currently in process, there is only one that is not a purpose built, designed from the ground up for the purposes of being a sniper rifle (Surgeon). Even Reminton has abandon the 700 with their MSR entry. </p><p> </p><p>The knowledge base of the sniper community has dramatically increased as a result of the last ten years in the wars on terror. That knowledge includes tactics, optics, as well as weapons. The US in pretty much the only country that deploys with rifles that are esssentially modified sporting rifle actions. The time is coming where that too will change. The current administrations hostility to the military wont speed that up any, but in time, it will take place. Even in the civilian competition market, the AI, Sako and other purpose built sniper rilfe systems are being recognized for tank like durability while retaining near benchrest accuracy.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jammer65, post: 774719, member: 49757"] My comment about being one of cost was referring to the design level of the manufacturing process, not the end user cost of the system. When the Marine corp was planning what was to be their first official sniper rifle in the early 60's (M40-A1), the Winchester was the action that was in most use and most preferred. What changed that was the redesign that Winchester did in 1964 that went to a conventional push feed system. That along with other quality control factors that became an issue with the New Haven plant at that time was the deciding factor in choosing the Reminton. Had Winchster not made that move, the lexicon of the Remington 700 would simply never have existed. Naturally Winchster didnt stand still on the quality control issue and with the advent of CNC production machinery, was able to convert back to the classic CRF style for the model 70. Unfortunately for Winchester, the ship had sailed and Remington had the momentum and the aftermarket parts base captured. Winchester 70 and FN bolt actions (same thing) are now being made in a state of the art facility in Coumbia South Carolina where many of the US military machine guns and other weapons are manufactured. If you go to any national level precision rifle shoot, you will have to look far down the finishers list to find an actual Remington. The custom actions that build on their footprint have long ago left the actual 700s in the dust. The realization has been made that a sporting action modified for sniper use has run its course. If you look at the finalists for the new SOCOM solicitation for the next generation sniper rifle that is currently in process, there is only one that is not a purpose built, designed from the ground up for the purposes of being a sniper rifle (Surgeon). Even Reminton has abandon the 700 with their MSR entry. The knowledge base of the sniper community has dramatically increased as a result of the last ten years in the wars on terror. That knowledge includes tactics, optics, as well as weapons. The US in pretty much the only country that deploys with rifles that are esssentially modified sporting rifle actions. The time is coming where that too will change. The current administrations hostility to the military wont speed that up any, but in time, it will take place. Even in the civilian competition market, the AI, Sako and other purpose built sniper rilfe systems are being recognized for tank like durability while retaining near benchrest accuracy. [/QUOTE]
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