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<blockquote data-quote="Shawn Carlock" data-source="post: 239133" data-attributes="member: 4"><p>Trshooter,</p><p> </p><p>I try to stay away from posts like this but .....</p><p> </p><p>I have a few questions for you.</p><p> </p><p>1. Concerning a 7 WSM vs a 7mm Rem Mag have you owned both and worked with both? Or is this a computer generated theory. </p><p>I have owned, built & tested several of both. I have had opportunity to shoot both with the 168 gr Berger in question, I have found that your velocity of 3050-3100 with 7 Rem Mag to be right in the ballpark. My standard 7 WSM load (I have 2 of them) with the 168gr Berger runs 3062 and 3093 with a 24" and 26" barrels accordingly. I do see the 7 WSM to run the same velocities as the 7 Rem Mag. </p><p> </p><p>2. Concerning the 7 RM vs 300 RUM if you compare apples to apples and give the 300 RUM a 210 gr Berger the BC on both bullets is identical. The RUM sends the 210 3100-3150 out of a 26" tube pretty easy. So if we look at identicle conditions, sight to bore height etc you will quickly find that in bullet drop and wind drift they are in fact identical. In energy the 300 RUM has a 275-300 ft /lb advantage. At 1500 yards the energy of the 300 RUM is double that of the 7 RM. This is not what I call more energy, less drop and in "fact" being better than the 300 RUM.</p><p> </p><p>3. 7 RM vs big 338's like the Edge, Lapua etc. given a 338 300gr SMK with a BC of .768 (Berger of course is going to release a 338 300gr with a BC of over .900) at 2800 fps there is no question that the 7 RM shoots flatter at almost any given distance. It does however lack the wind drift abilities of the 300 SMK. In your example of 1500 yards you will see that the 7 RM shoots flatter by 4.50 MOA but drifts 1.00 moa more in the wind. The energy levels are almost comical with the 338 having 1192 ft/lbs and the 7 RM having a "whopping" 643 ft/lbs for 1/2 the energy on target that the 338 has. Again not exactly what I'd call running right with it.</p><p> </p><p>4. Have you taken a large number of game animals with the the above described rounds? I have taken and seen taken a large number of animals taken with all of the 3-4 rounds and the impact / terminal performance at distance with the 300 gr 338 bullet is clearly more potent.</p><p> </p><p>All of this being said I have nothing against the 7mm Rem Mag or any other 7mm round, I have a couple myself and love them. The thing that kind of reved me up about this post was the manner it was delivered. What exactly is a "cheating expert" anyway. Just because you like a certain caliber / round doesn't mean that you should put down the others. I see on your member line you have two posts, so maybe you are unfamilar with how this site works. We as a group offer positive opinions that are not anymore rough than necessary and support them with correct supporting information. Maybe a thread about the 7 RM being the best LRH round backed up by real comparison info would have been good instead of bashing certain rounds and the people who like/ promote their use. Along with being incorrect info I just don't see where your post was doing anything but telling everyone that according to you, anyone using something other than a 7 Rem Mag is a *******.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shawn Carlock, post: 239133, member: 4"] Trshooter, I try to stay away from posts like this but ..... I have a few questions for you. 1. Concerning a 7 WSM vs a 7mm Rem Mag have you owned both and worked with both? Or is this a computer generated theory. I have owned, built & tested several of both. I have had opportunity to shoot both with the 168 gr Berger in question, I have found that your velocity of 3050-3100 with 7 Rem Mag to be right in the ballpark. My standard 7 WSM load (I have 2 of them) with the 168gr Berger runs 3062 and 3093 with a 24" and 26" barrels accordingly. I do see the 7 WSM to run the same velocities as the 7 Rem Mag. 2. Concerning the 7 RM vs 300 RUM if you compare apples to apples and give the 300 RUM a 210 gr Berger the BC on both bullets is identical. The RUM sends the 210 3100-3150 out of a 26" tube pretty easy. So if we look at identicle conditions, sight to bore height etc you will quickly find that in bullet drop and wind drift they are in fact identical. In energy the 300 RUM has a 275-300 ft /lb advantage. At 1500 yards the energy of the 300 RUM is double that of the 7 RM. This is not what I call more energy, less drop and in "fact" being better than the 300 RUM. 3. 7 RM vs big 338's like the Edge, Lapua etc. given a 338 300gr SMK with a BC of .768 (Berger of course is going to release a 338 300gr with a BC of over .900) at 2800 fps there is no question that the 7 RM shoots flatter at almost any given distance. It does however lack the wind drift abilities of the 300 SMK. In your example of 1500 yards you will see that the 7 RM shoots flatter by 4.50 MOA but drifts 1.00 moa more in the wind. The energy levels are almost comical with the 338 having 1192 ft/lbs and the 7 RM having a "whopping" 643 ft/lbs for 1/2 the energy on target that the 338 has. Again not exactly what I'd call running right with it. 4. Have you taken a large number of game animals with the the above described rounds? I have taken and seen taken a large number of animals taken with all of the 3-4 rounds and the impact / terminal performance at distance with the 300 gr 338 bullet is clearly more potent. All of this being said I have nothing against the 7mm Rem Mag or any other 7mm round, I have a couple myself and love them. The thing that kind of reved me up about this post was the manner it was delivered. What exactly is a "cheating expert" anyway. Just because you like a certain caliber / round doesn't mean that you should put down the others. I see on your member line you have two posts, so maybe you are unfamilar with how this site works. We as a group offer positive opinions that are not anymore rough than necessary and support them with correct supporting information. Maybe a thread about the 7 RM being the best LRH round backed up by real comparison info would have been good instead of bashing certain rounds and the people who like/ promote their use. Along with being incorrect info I just don't see where your post was doing anything but telling everyone that according to you, anyone using something other than a 7 Rem Mag is a *******. [/QUOTE]
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