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Muzzleloader Hunting
Time to eat crow
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<blockquote data-quote="ATH" data-source="post: 979153" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>Well, let's be fair. #1, there's not a very large sample size of them out there. #2, calling smokeless MLers dangerous because you hear of one blow (and if it is a particular case I'm thinking of I am very, very skeptical of the circumstances) ignores the fact that SCORES of cartridge guns blow every year because people do stupid things at the reloading bench. Well, some of those people buy/build smokeless MLers too and do stupid things with them too!.</p><p></p><p>I'm aware of many fully documented cases of smokeless guns surviving double charges or shooting the ramrod with nothing worse than a bulged barrel (if that). One would have to do something incredibly stupid to blow one.</p><p></p><p>When someone double-charges a gun...ANY gun...you can't blame the gun for the result. I am aware of BP guns that have blown or shot the nipple into someone's face too. If someone double-loaded an Ultimate I have my doubts the outcome would be entirely positive. Given the price point, there is some inherent degree of selection for people who are serious about it and less likely to know little about what they are doing.</p><p></p><p>It does not surprise me that Remington did not go smokeless. Savage went there and exited. It is inherently more complicated and the average hunter....even those with the wallet deep enough to afford that gun...don't want to deal with the complexity in a ML.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ATH, post: 979153, member: 1656"] Well, let's be fair. #1, there's not a very large sample size of them out there. #2, calling smokeless MLers dangerous because you hear of one blow (and if it is a particular case I'm thinking of I am very, very skeptical of the circumstances) ignores the fact that SCORES of cartridge guns blow every year because people do stupid things at the reloading bench. Well, some of those people buy/build smokeless MLers too and do stupid things with them too!. I'm aware of many fully documented cases of smokeless guns surviving double charges or shooting the ramrod with nothing worse than a bulged barrel (if that). One would have to do something incredibly stupid to blow one. When someone double-charges a gun...ANY gun...you can't blame the gun for the result. I am aware of BP guns that have blown or shot the nipple into someone's face too. If someone double-loaded an Ultimate I have my doubts the outcome would be entirely positive. Given the price point, there is some inherent degree of selection for people who are serious about it and less likely to know little about what they are doing. It does not surprise me that Remington did not go smokeless. Savage went there and exited. It is inherently more complicated and the average hunter....even those with the wallet deep enough to afford that gun...don't want to deal with the complexity in a ML. [/QUOTE]
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