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<blockquote data-quote="Darryl Cassel" data-source="post: 329" data-attributes="member: 34"><p>Hello Coyote Slayer</p><p></p><p>We are not doubting your hunting or shooting expertise in any way. Please take this into consideration. </p><p>I shoot a 338 bullet with almost twice the BC of the 80 Gr 224 bullet, with a lot of powder behind it, and have seen what happens at ranges over 1500 yards.</p><p></p><p>I ran your numbers on the Oehler program and here is what I came up with.</p><p>I gave you 3750 (gave you a bit more here) FPS muzzle velocity, a .420BC for the bullet, dialed in a 450 yard zero, at 6000 ft elevation in 30 degree temp.</p><p>Here are the results I came up with.</p><p>At 1800 yards you would have needed 53.8 MOA from the above figures. At that range your velocity would have been 1035 FPS and the energy would have been 190 FP.</p><p></p><p>To be realistic of the shot. At 1300 yards with the above values you gave us,you would have needed 23.3 MOA above the 450 yd zero which is consistant with what you said. Your bullet would have been going 1481 FPS and the energy would have been 390 FP.</p><p>This is in line with what you said your math came up with.</p><p>Therefore, I question the Rangefinder at this point.</p><p>I believe it read you 500 Plus yards further then what the yardage really was. By the numbers I came up with the shot was in fact at or near 1300 yards.</p><p>Regardless, it was a fine shot.</p><p>I have not seen ANY and I stress ANY commercial rangefinder that was totally accurate in all weather conditions like the military models. I have friends who have the same rangefinder you used and said they have had problems with accuracy from shot to shot at extended ranges and in different weather conditions. </p><p>The most powerfull laser available (they are not eye safe) are the military Russian and the US Litton made units. These are extremely accurate and will repeat shot after shot in ANY weather condition change.</p><p></p><p>To sum this up, I think you made a fine shot on the fox but, I believe the range was closer to 1300 yards rather then 1800 yards as per your MOA used to get to him.</p><p></p><p>As you know, all ballistics programs are not the same however, they are very close.</p><p>I'm sure Warren's program is probably the best of the three of us but, I like the Oehler program out of the ones I have tried.</p><p>I think all of us are in the ballpark on this one. </p><p>The range (1800 yards) is in question though.</p><p></p><p>Good hunting to you.</p><p>Darryl Cassel</p><p></p><p>[ 07-30-2001: Message edited by: Darryl Cassel ]</p><p></p><p>[ 07-30-2001: Message edited by: Darryl Cassel ]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Darryl Cassel, post: 329, member: 34"] Hello Coyote Slayer We are not doubting your hunting or shooting expertise in any way. Please take this into consideration. I shoot a 338 bullet with almost twice the BC of the 80 Gr 224 bullet, with a lot of powder behind it, and have seen what happens at ranges over 1500 yards. I ran your numbers on the Oehler program and here is what I came up with. I gave you 3750 (gave you a bit more here) FPS muzzle velocity, a .420BC for the bullet, dialed in a 450 yard zero, at 6000 ft elevation in 30 degree temp. Here are the results I came up with. At 1800 yards you would have needed 53.8 MOA from the above figures. At that range your velocity would have been 1035 FPS and the energy would have been 190 FP. To be realistic of the shot. At 1300 yards with the above values you gave us,you would have needed 23.3 MOA above the 450 yd zero which is consistant with what you said. Your bullet would have been going 1481 FPS and the energy would have been 390 FP. This is in line with what you said your math came up with. Therefore, I question the Rangefinder at this point. I believe it read you 500 Plus yards further then what the yardage really was. By the numbers I came up with the shot was in fact at or near 1300 yards. Regardless, it was a fine shot. I have not seen ANY and I stress ANY commercial rangefinder that was totally accurate in all weather conditions like the military models. I have friends who have the same rangefinder you used and said they have had problems with accuracy from shot to shot at extended ranges and in different weather conditions. The most powerfull laser available (they are not eye safe) are the military Russian and the US Litton made units. These are extremely accurate and will repeat shot after shot in ANY weather condition change. To sum this up, I think you made a fine shot on the fox but, I believe the range was closer to 1300 yards rather then 1800 yards as per your MOA used to get to him. As you know, all ballistics programs are not the same however, they are very close. I'm sure Warren's program is probably the best of the three of us but, I like the Oehler program out of the ones I have tried. I think all of us are in the ballpark on this one. The range (1800 yards) is in question though. Good hunting to you. Darryl Cassel [ 07-30-2001: Message edited by: Darryl Cassel ] [ 07-30-2001: Message edited by: Darryl Cassel ] [/QUOTE]
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