Tested 300rum - 25-06 this morning

[lerch]

I have got some of Richards bullets on the way. I know of some 142gr bullets that he doesnt think I will be able to stabilize and he sending me some other bullets as well, I think some 100gr bullets.

Kirby, you know what I am wanting to do with this rifle, 1k plus prairie doggin. What bullet would you recommend for me to shot out to 1500yds with???

Thanks
Steve

 

[Fiftydriver]

Srhaggerty,

At the velocities you will be reaching with the 130 gr bullets, I suspect you would get very good performance with Richards 130 gr Non bonded core bullets. Using the bonded core version will only increase your potential to take out both shoulders as well as keep the bullet together better on hard impacts.

That said, I would ask Da Man himeslf. Richard will not steer you in the wrong direction and he actually has experience killing goats and I have none so he knows what is needed to kill one efficently.

You should ask him about his goat hunt sometime, its a hell of a story. All I can say is he is far more man then I am!!!

Drop him a line on the 130 gr 257 bullets and see what he thinks.

Kirby Allen(50)

 

[Fiftydriver]

Lerch,

Well, There are really only three bullets that would give you any chance ballistically for 1500 yard consistant performance in a factory 25-06. Those three would be the 115 gr Berger VLD, 120 gr Wildcat ULD RBBT and the 130 gr ULD RBBT.

That said, if the 142s Richard is sending you actually group well, these will offer you performance that the 25-06 has never seen but I suspect they will not stabilize in the 1-10 barrel.

Course I have been wrong before, just recently I told ss7mm that I though there was no way in hell the 1-10 twist would stanbilize a 200 gr ULD RBBT. He tried them and proved me as wrong as I could me. So thats why we try things and see what happens when the bullets get in the air.

Basically I would say these bullets mentioned would be your only real bet for trying to reach out to 1500 yards consistantly. That is a serious poke with a factory rifle in a 25-06 chambering. Not saying its impossible, just saying eveything will need to perform perfectly to work well, that is not a phrase generally associated with factory rifles /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif!

Still try them and let us know how they work so we can all build out data base.

Later,

Kirby Allen(50)

 

[srhaggerty]

Fifty,

He and I did talk about the very issue. I believe his comments were the non bonded would do just fine. He is also sending me some 120 non bondeds so I may use those as well. Have a good weekend.

 

[brianwinzor]

Lerch,

About 3 months ago, I accuracy tested and chronographed Richards 130 grain BCFBHP and 142 grain ULD in my 25/06 AI, which has a Sako L61R action, and Shilen SS 24 inch 1 in 10 twist barrel.

The 130 grain bullets grouped well, but the 142 grain ULD failed to stabilise and keyholed into the 100 yard target.

The 130 grain BCFBHP gave good accuracy from 2850 fps through to 3150, and estimate that a standard 25/06 should reach about 2850 - 2925 fps in a 24 inch barrel. I base that prediction on the basis that the barrel on my 25/06 AI started life as a 25/06, and after 100 shots, was then set back and rechambered to the AI. The velocity increase was about 225 fps with the 100 grain bullet, which was similar increase to what I achieved with my other 25/06AI.

Unfortunately I have been too busy to do further testing, but have listed below my chronograph data (forwarded to Kirby and Richard) from my only days testing of the 130 & 142 grain bullets.
Remington cases, Rem 91/2 M primer, temp 20C:
Case Capacity to base neck- 63.5 grns H1000,66.0 grns H870.

130 grain Wildcat Bonded Core Flat Base HP (1.215- 1.222 inches) seated about 0.00 to.007 into lands.
AR 2217 (H1000)
58.0 grains - 2960 fps (1.220 moa)
59.0 grains - 2982 fps (.695 moa)
60.0 grains - 3019 fps (Max, .543 moa)
61.0 grains - 3059 fps (Above Max, 1.380 moa)

Reloader 25
58.0 grains - 2978 fps (.405 moa)
59.0 grains - 3036 fps (.600 moa)
60.0 grains - 3091 fps (.465 moa)
61.0 grains - 3158 fps (Near Max/Max, .510 moa)

Vihtavouri N170
58.0 grains - 2861 fps (1.171 moa)
59.0 grains - 2855 fps (.595 moa)
60.0 grains - 2925 fps (.770 moa)
61.0 grains - 2969 fps (Mild Pressure, .615 moa)

Hodgdon 870
65.0 grains - 3038 fps (Max pressure. .185 moa)
66.0 grains - 3044 fps (Above Max, .645 moa)

142 grain Wildcat ULD (1.362 - 1.367 inches) seated .010 into lands.
AR 2225 (H Retumbo)
59.0 grains - 2914 fps
60.0 grains - 2997 fps
61.0 grains - 3048 fps (Max)

Hodgdon 870
64.0 grains - 2953 fps
65 grains - 3018 fps (Max)

I hope that the above information is of some help for your 25/06 with regard to the 130 and 142 grain Wildcat bullets.
Brian.