signs of pressure

Discussion in 'Reloading' started by retiredcpo, May 8, 2010.

  1. retiredcpo

    retiredcpo Well-Known Member

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    just fyi
    I have been shooting 64.5 gr of 4831 under 168 gr bergers
    for about three months now with no problems no hint of pressure signs
    but the temp has never got above 60 and was cloudy most of the time
    today was sunny up around 70
    and had Major pressure signs bolt extremly hard to lift primmer flat
    So ill be backing hte load down to 63 gr to where i started.
     
  2. phorwath

    phorwath Well-Known Member

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    Which caliber and cartridge? IMR or Hodgdon 4831 powder?
     

  3. retiredcpo

    retiredcpo Well-Known Member

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    opps sorry
    7mm rem mag
    hodgen powder 4831sc
    in a new remington sendero
     
  4. retiredcpo

    retiredcpo Well-Known Member

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    opps sorry
    7mm rem mag in a new sendero
    using winchester brass and primers
     
  5. bigngreen

    bigngreen Well-Known Member

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    Same powder lot ? Seems a little excessive over a 10 degree temp movement for a Hodgdon extreme powder.
    I use some of the other powders that they have listed as the Extreme powders and I can go from below 0 to 80 degrees with a maxxed out load with no problems at all.
     
  6. jimbires

    jimbires Well-Known Member

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    I've also had pretty good luck with the extreme powders being stable . it seems like 90* F is where sensitivity starts to happen .
    was your ammo setting in direct sun ? or getting baked in the car ? if so this could be your problem . try keeping your ammo in the shade .
     
  7. Michael Eichele

    Michael Eichele Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like it could be 1 of 2 things.

    1: A different lot of powder.

    2: A slightly worn (erroded) throat. This will cause friction on the bullet driving up the pressure.
     
  8. J E Custom

    J E Custom Well-Known Member

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    The WW 2 H4831 was my favorite in a 7 rem mag with 67.5 grains behind a 168 SMK.

    The newer H 4831 had to be reduced to 65.5 grains and stilled matched my velocity.

    When I switched to H4831sc I had to reduce it even more to keep the pressure with
    in limits.

    64.5 is still a hot load and will cause problems if it is left in the sun or a hot car.

    If you are seating close to the lands this could cause pressure to be on the high side.

    J E CUSTOM
     
  9. retiredcpo

    retiredcpo Well-Known Member

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    the rounds where in direct sun light on the hood of the truck
    most of the previous days ahve been cooler and overcast.
    cant imange it would be a throat problem the gun is 4 months old.
    taking tnhe gun back in to my smith just to have him look it over before we shoot again
     
  10. phorwath

    phorwath Well-Known Member

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    Ouch! If that hood is painted anything but white, I would guess the cartridges may have warmed up a fair amount.
     
  11. retiredcpo

    retiredcpo Well-Known Member

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    the truck is silver and we use a grey blanket of the hood
    Now im not sure backing back down to 63 gr will be enough
    according to berger the load range is 61 to 64.5 so 63 is in the middle.
    also im 20 thou off the lands