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<blockquote data-quote="greenejc" data-source="post: 2337253" data-attributes="member: 60453"><p>All true. However, cautioning about different states' laws is just passing information and requirements which we have to live with at this time. That doesn't mean it won't hopefully change in the future, though. I think most of us who have mentioned the difference in state laws just don't want to see someone's life ruined due to an unknowing violation. As to Gamekings, they are constructed to be as accurate as match bullets. The original Gamekings would sometimes fragment at close range, and acted like a varmint grenade on a large scale, giving one as many as 5 exit wounds in a deer. They've since thickened the jacket a little, and with the .308 Gamekings, you get a golfball to hardball size exit wound, depending on bullet weight. I especially like their ProHunter series, too. They're very accurate and well constructed. At higher altitudes, above 7,000 ft. where I usually hunt elk, they have the same drop profile as the Matchking does at sea level. That means I can use a less expensive but highly accurate bullet effectively at distance. I'm retired Army, so I'm cheap. I also get Sierra factory seconds from Midway and use them for practice and if they're shooting within an inch in my rifles, for hunting, too. I also like the Speer HotCor bullets, which are not advertised as a bonded bullet, but have some of their characteristics due to their construction methods. They have high B.C.'s for a flat-base bullet, with the 200 grain .308 between .48 and .5 B.C., giving it a flat trajectory from my rifles. The 250 grain .358 HotCor has a BC of .422 or maybe .442, depending on older or newer data, but it makes a 35 Whelen good for 800 yards or better at sea level with RL2000 or CFE 223, both of which will give velocities above 2650 in a 24" barrel. I also use RL15 and the older data for the Whelen, but I won't mention the charge weights with either the Sierra 225 grain or the Speer 250 grain, as they have 'lawyered down' their charge weights in this powder since 2019. But my velocities with the Speer run between 2670 and 2690 over my Crony at 10 feet, and 2720 to 2745 over the Chrony with the Sierra Gameking. The Sierra will mostly produce ragged holes with this powder, fireformed military brass, and Remington LR primers, while the Speer goes into about 0.8 5 shot groups. These are from standard barrels (one is a factory Remington CDL and the other is an E.R. Shaw26" 1 in 14 twist barrel on a Remington action, which gets an average of about 90fps more velocity over the 24" Whelen). Bottom line is I do all my hunting with either Speer, Nosler, or Sierra bullets, and I use match bullets for some of my varmint or long range practice. The 200 grain .308's (Sierra and Speer) perform about the same. The Sierras have a slight edge in accuracy at 100 yards which disappears at around 400 yards (possibly the Speers just need more distance to stabilize-that does happen) and in a Ruger M77MKII, I get 1" or less with the Speer at about 2570 to 2600, with around 0.7 or 0.8 5 shot groups at 100 yards. The 03A3 gets 0.7" groups and an increase in velocity of about 70 fps with both bullets. It likes Speers about as much as Sierras.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="greenejc, post: 2337253, member: 60453"] All true. However, cautioning about different states' laws is just passing information and requirements which we have to live with at this time. That doesn't mean it won't hopefully change in the future, though. I think most of us who have mentioned the difference in state laws just don't want to see someone's life ruined due to an unknowing violation. As to Gamekings, they are constructed to be as accurate as match bullets. The original Gamekings would sometimes fragment at close range, and acted like a varmint grenade on a large scale, giving one as many as 5 exit wounds in a deer. They've since thickened the jacket a little, and with the .308 Gamekings, you get a golfball to hardball size exit wound, depending on bullet weight. I especially like their ProHunter series, too. They're very accurate and well constructed. At higher altitudes, above 7,000 ft. where I usually hunt elk, they have the same drop profile as the Matchking does at sea level. That means I can use a less expensive but highly accurate bullet effectively at distance. I'm retired Army, so I'm cheap. I also get Sierra factory seconds from Midway and use them for practice and if they're shooting within an inch in my rifles, for hunting, too. I also like the Speer HotCor bullets, which are not advertised as a bonded bullet, but have some of their characteristics due to their construction methods. They have high B.C.'s for a flat-base bullet, with the 200 grain .308 between .48 and .5 B.C., giving it a flat trajectory from my rifles. The 250 grain .358 HotCor has a BC of .422 or maybe .442, depending on older or newer data, but it makes a 35 Whelen good for 800 yards or better at sea level with RL2000 or CFE 223, both of which will give velocities above 2650 in a 24" barrel. I also use RL15 and the older data for the Whelen, but I won't mention the charge weights with either the Sierra 225 grain or the Speer 250 grain, as they have 'lawyered down' their charge weights in this powder since 2019. But my velocities with the Speer run between 2670 and 2690 over my Crony at 10 feet, and 2720 to 2745 over the Chrony with the Sierra Gameking. The Sierra will mostly produce ragged holes with this powder, fireformed military brass, and Remington LR primers, while the Speer goes into about 0.8 5 shot groups. These are from standard barrels (one is a factory Remington CDL and the other is an E.R. Shaw26" 1 in 14 twist barrel on a Remington action, which gets an average of about 90fps more velocity over the 24" Whelen). Bottom line is I do all my hunting with either Speer, Nosler, or Sierra bullets, and I use match bullets for some of my varmint or long range practice. The 200 grain .308's (Sierra and Speer) perform about the same. The Sierras have a slight edge in accuracy at 100 yards which disappears at around 400 yards (possibly the Speers just need more distance to stabilize-that does happen) and in a Ruger M77MKII, I get 1" or less with the Speer at about 2570 to 2600, with around 0.7 or 0.8 5 shot groups at 100 yards. The 03A3 gets 0.7" groups and an increase in velocity of about 70 fps with both bullets. It likes Speers about as much as Sierras. [/QUOTE]
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