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<blockquote data-quote="milanuk" data-source="post: 16777" data-attributes="member: 376"><p>Ok. This one has me fuming, but I'll try to calm down enough to type this out in a coherent manner...</p><p></p><p>Let's say that you have a 6-24x scope, 1" main tube, about 40MOA total adjustment range for windage and elevation. Lets also assume that you have a variety of other scopes, such as a SS10x42, an old steel tube Weaver T-6 HBR, newer Weaver V-16, some Leupold Vari-X III LR/T scopes (6.5-20x and 8.5-25x).</p><p></p><p>Suppose you mainly use scope bases of the Weaver/Picatinny style, and therefore any windage adjustment during initial scope mounting must come from the scope tube, rather than the base/rings.</p><p></p><p>So if you were to put said 6-24x 1" scope on a gun (zeroing the turrets by counting clicks beforehand then slipping the scales so the turrets are set to zero), and peer thru the collimator, and see that the crosshairs are way off to one side (like off the grid scale and then some), and then attempt to adjust the scope back to center, and find that in doing so, you have used up all 20 or so MOA windage available on the scope, and you now are against the tube wall.</p><p></p><p>Being somewhat perplexed at this, lets just say that you swapped the scope around to several other guns, most of which have a Weaver type mounting system, and see pretty much the same thing on all your guns. Then out of desperation you try using a Redfield type mount, the one w/ the front dovetail and a rear windage adjustable base, and find out that if you center the mechanism, then jack the rear ring over using the windage screws, you can at last at least 'use' the scope.</p><p></p><p>Where would you conclude the problem lies, based on the above (other than the screw loose btwn the Peltors)? Would you surmise it was the scope, or that it was rather, entirely in the bases not being aligned to the bore? This is basically what the manufacturer's product rep told me over the phone, even after I made it very, very explicitly clear that I had swapped the scope, bases, and rings around on a variety of guns, using NF, GG&G, Leupold, and Badger Ord weaver/picatinny bases, both one piece rails and two piece bases, on a variety of guns, same as I had w/ every other scope mentioned above. Seems more than slightly odd that while I never had any problems w/ the above scopes/bases/rings on any of my guns, that I suddenly have a problem w/ my bases being about 20+ minutes out of whack w/ the bore.</p><p></p><p>Am I missing something here? Is the product rep blowing smoke, or is this even feasible?</p><p></p><p>Thanks,</p><p></p><p>Monte</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="milanuk, post: 16777, member: 376"] Ok. This one has me fuming, but I'll try to calm down enough to type this out in a coherent manner... Let's say that you have a 6-24x scope, 1" main tube, about 40MOA total adjustment range for windage and elevation. Lets also assume that you have a variety of other scopes, such as a SS10x42, an old steel tube Weaver T-6 HBR, newer Weaver V-16, some Leupold Vari-X III LR/T scopes (6.5-20x and 8.5-25x). Suppose you mainly use scope bases of the Weaver/Picatinny style, and therefore any windage adjustment during initial scope mounting must come from the scope tube, rather than the base/rings. So if you were to put said 6-24x 1" scope on a gun (zeroing the turrets by counting clicks beforehand then slipping the scales so the turrets are set to zero), and peer thru the collimator, and see that the crosshairs are way off to one side (like off the grid scale and then some), and then attempt to adjust the scope back to center, and find that in doing so, you have used up all 20 or so MOA windage available on the scope, and you now are against the tube wall. Being somewhat perplexed at this, lets just say that you swapped the scope around to several other guns, most of which have a Weaver type mounting system, and see pretty much the same thing on all your guns. Then out of desperation you try using a Redfield type mount, the one w/ the front dovetail and a rear windage adjustable base, and find out that if you center the mechanism, then jack the rear ring over using the windage screws, you can at last at least 'use' the scope. Where would you conclude the problem lies, based on the above (other than the screw loose btwn the Peltors)? Would you surmise it was the scope, or that it was rather, entirely in the bases not being aligned to the bore? This is basically what the manufacturer's product rep told me over the phone, even after I made it very, very explicitly clear that I had swapped the scope, bases, and rings around on a variety of guns, using NF, GG&G, Leupold, and Badger Ord weaver/picatinny bases, both one piece rails and two piece bases, on a variety of guns, same as I had w/ every other scope mentioned above. Seems more than slightly odd that while I never had any problems w/ the above scopes/bases/rings on any of my guns, that I suddenly have a problem w/ my bases being about 20+ minutes out of whack w/ the bore. Am I missing something here? Is the product rep blowing smoke, or is this even feasible? Thanks, Monte [/QUOTE]
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