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<blockquote data-quote="Michael Eichele" data-source="post: 52521" data-attributes="member: 1007"><p>Sorry guys,</p><p></p><p>I didnt mean to rock the boat. Its just that in this sport the sky is the limit. Sure there is nothing wrong with bedding an existing stock. But whether you are upgrading a stock, a barrel, a trigger, or even ammunition if you have to have the absolte best, you must be willing to pay for it. If one sets a standard of .5 MOA he is more likely to see those results with a factory rifle with strict attention to detail. If the next guy wants to shoot .375 MOA it becomes incresingly more difficult. It can in some cases require more than shooter skill and tedious handloading. In alot of cases, bedding an existing stock may give the needed edge. Sometimes croyogenically relieving the barrel might give you the right results. When a shooter wants .125 MOA or less, you either have to get really lucky to get a factory rifle that will do that, or you pay for it. It all depends on what a person wants and what he is willing to pay for it. Keith, if you are looking for .375 MOA, before I would do much of anything with the rifle unless it has to do with shooter comfort or trigger work, try your best handloading tequniques with at least 5 powders if not 7 or 8 using the bullet you want. If you dont come close, try another bullet. I would start with a MK 168. Clean your barrel every time you fire a new set of groups with a different powder for the best results. For instance say you start with VARGET, starting with a clean barrel, shoot 3 foul shots of a mid range load. Then fire a 3 shot group of your minimum load, then 3 loaded 1 grain up, keeping an eye out for exsessive pressure signs. With VARGET start at 44 then 45 then 46. Save all your targets for comparison. I like to stick 1" spots on an 8.5x11" sheet of paper and then 3 hole punch them and put them in a binder. Clean the barrel and repeat the process with a new powder. Most powders will only need 1 fouling shot, some will not need any, and some will need 3. In my gun i need 4 shots to get VARGET to work well. Once you have all the targets, compare, choose the best ones and work on them from there. Start by adding or deleting .5 a grain, from there .2 until the optimum is found. Also try seating them farther forward. In the 700 SA you can seat them up to 2.830 without feeding problems. If then you want tighter groups, upgrades will be needed. What kind of upgrades depends on you and what you want to spend. The issue of the stock is only my opinion and what I have found works for me. To me, the McMillan stock and the 700 fit perfectly, from my comfort, and shooting style, and in my opinion they make the best stock moeny can buy. Also, you dont have to get them bedded if you dont want to. I have seen improvements in performance with their stocks if they are just ordered and dropped in. This cuts down on cost consideralbly. But there is nothing wrong with bedding the factory stock if that better suits ones needs.</p><p></p><p>You can expect great things from your 308 if you use it within the peramiters it was designed for. I used to be dissapointed in it because I was used to the latest and greatest super magnums on the market and the 308 was slow in comparison. I always tried to "hotrod" them, and it doesent always work that way. Once I started to catch on to how to get the most out of it, it became much more enjoyable to shoot. Now that is all I will shoot. If you stick to the loading instructions above, coupled with your own style of reloading, you will most likely find several loads that will group in the .5 range, and a couple in the .375 range. </p><p></p><p>Good shooting to you.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Michael Eichele, post: 52521, member: 1007"] Sorry guys, I didnt mean to rock the boat. Its just that in this sport the sky is the limit. Sure there is nothing wrong with bedding an existing stock. But whether you are upgrading a stock, a barrel, a trigger, or even ammunition if you have to have the absolte best, you must be willing to pay for it. If one sets a standard of .5 MOA he is more likely to see those results with a factory rifle with strict attention to detail. If the next guy wants to shoot .375 MOA it becomes incresingly more difficult. It can in some cases require more than shooter skill and tedious handloading. In alot of cases, bedding an existing stock may give the needed edge. Sometimes croyogenically relieving the barrel might give you the right results. When a shooter wants .125 MOA or less, you either have to get really lucky to get a factory rifle that will do that, or you pay for it. It all depends on what a person wants and what he is willing to pay for it. Keith, if you are looking for .375 MOA, before I would do much of anything with the rifle unless it has to do with shooter comfort or trigger work, try your best handloading tequniques with at least 5 powders if not 7 or 8 using the bullet you want. If you dont come close, try another bullet. I would start with a MK 168. Clean your barrel every time you fire a new set of groups with a different powder for the best results. For instance say you start with VARGET, starting with a clean barrel, shoot 3 foul shots of a mid range load. Then fire a 3 shot group of your minimum load, then 3 loaded 1 grain up, keeping an eye out for exsessive pressure signs. With VARGET start at 44 then 45 then 46. Save all your targets for comparison. I like to stick 1" spots on an 8.5x11" sheet of paper and then 3 hole punch them and put them in a binder. Clean the barrel and repeat the process with a new powder. Most powders will only need 1 fouling shot, some will not need any, and some will need 3. In my gun i need 4 shots to get VARGET to work well. Once you have all the targets, compare, choose the best ones and work on them from there. Start by adding or deleting .5 a grain, from there .2 until the optimum is found. Also try seating them farther forward. In the 700 SA you can seat them up to 2.830 without feeding problems. If then you want tighter groups, upgrades will be needed. What kind of upgrades depends on you and what you want to spend. The issue of the stock is only my opinion and what I have found works for me. To me, the McMillan stock and the 700 fit perfectly, from my comfort, and shooting style, and in my opinion they make the best stock moeny can buy. Also, you dont have to get them bedded if you dont want to. I have seen improvements in performance with their stocks if they are just ordered and dropped in. This cuts down on cost consideralbly. But there is nothing wrong with bedding the factory stock if that better suits ones needs. You can expect great things from your 308 if you use it within the peramiters it was designed for. I used to be dissapointed in it because I was used to the latest and greatest super magnums on the market and the 308 was slow in comparison. I always tried to "hotrod" them, and it doesent always work that way. Once I started to catch on to how to get the most out of it, it became much more enjoyable to shoot. Now that is all I will shoot. If you stick to the loading instructions above, coupled with your own style of reloading, you will most likely find several loads that will group in the .5 range, and a couple in the .375 range. Good shooting to you. [/QUOTE]
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