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Remington cdl sf or savage 11
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<blockquote data-quote="Trickymissfit" data-source="post: 1015054" data-attributes="member: 25383"><p>I guess we just measure groups a little different. I've shot about six sub .200" groups with a couple 22-250's I own. But sure as hell won't say either one is a high one's rifle! One is a pretty good quarter inch gun and the other is a solid .300" rifle. The quarter inch gun is box stock except for the rings and bases. the trigger is factory set, and even the screws in the action are untouched. Sometime this winter I will shorten the stock about 3/4" to help my vision alignment. The other rifle has had a barrel setback, and about .25" removed from the muzzle. The barrel has seen a lot of 3031 thru it. Interestingly, the groups didn't improve much after the rechamber, but could see the throat was going away. I did go ahead an pillar bed that rifle, and grind the recoil lug flat and parallel. The reamer was borrowed from Mr. Pindel, and the throat is noticeably short. The pillars and screws were my own design, and are so solid that I could have left the recoil lug off the rifle. </p><p> </p><p>That .223 Remington was junk out of the box. Not only was the barrel junk, but the receiver wasn't much better. The trigger was dangerous. But it was a rock solid four and a half inch rifle! My first AR15 was a 1.25" gun. My second one shoots 3/4" groups. My Lo-Wall shoots groups in the 1.25" range with zero load development. I have access to two 788's that shoot half inch groups all day long. A trip to the range will usually show you three and often five Savage .223's printing in the mid three's. I did see one that shot consistent .230" groups. These rifles are pretty much out of the box. And I'm tickled to death to see .430" groups out of my 700!! (took months of work to get there) I own exactly one Howa, but have shot over a dozen of them thru the years. My 30-06 is a light weight barrel wood stock rifle (almost too pretty). It shoot near perfect 3/4" triangles, and has shot the 3/4" group at 200 yards. Not fantastic, but still not bad for an out of the box rifle. I've shot a couple in 25-06 that were solid .60" rifles out of the box (almost no load development). The Sakos were off the shelf rifles with the factory set trigger. Ammo was some hand me down stuff that came in a cigar box from Ferris. The two 6mm's were stolen along with my first 22-250. Still have a few targets laying around somewhere from these rifles. </p><p> </p><p>and yes I've shot and seen a lot of great shooting rifles in my days</p><p>gary</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Trickymissfit, post: 1015054, member: 25383"] I guess we just measure groups a little different. I've shot about six sub .200" groups with a couple 22-250's I own. But sure as hell won't say either one is a high one's rifle! One is a pretty good quarter inch gun and the other is a solid .300" rifle. The quarter inch gun is box stock except for the rings and bases. the trigger is factory set, and even the screws in the action are untouched. Sometime this winter I will shorten the stock about 3/4" to help my vision alignment. The other rifle has had a barrel setback, and about .25" removed from the muzzle. The barrel has seen a lot of 3031 thru it. Interestingly, the groups didn't improve much after the rechamber, but could see the throat was going away. I did go ahead an pillar bed that rifle, and grind the recoil lug flat and parallel. The reamer was borrowed from Mr. Pindel, and the throat is noticeably short. The pillars and screws were my own design, and are so solid that I could have left the recoil lug off the rifle. That .223 Remington was junk out of the box. Not only was the barrel junk, but the receiver wasn't much better. The trigger was dangerous. But it was a rock solid four and a half inch rifle! My first AR15 was a 1.25" gun. My second one shoots 3/4" groups. My Lo-Wall shoots groups in the 1.25" range with zero load development. I have access to two 788's that shoot half inch groups all day long. A trip to the range will usually show you three and often five Savage .223's printing in the mid three's. I did see one that shot consistent .230" groups. These rifles are pretty much out of the box. And I'm tickled to death to see .430" groups out of my 700!! (took months of work to get there) I own exactly one Howa, but have shot over a dozen of them thru the years. My 30-06 is a light weight barrel wood stock rifle (almost too pretty). It shoot near perfect 3/4" triangles, and has shot the 3/4" group at 200 yards. Not fantastic, but still not bad for an out of the box rifle. I've shot a couple in 25-06 that were solid .60" rifles out of the box (almost no load development). The Sakos were off the shelf rifles with the factory set trigger. Ammo was some hand me down stuff that came in a cigar box from Ferris. The two 6mm's were stolen along with my first 22-250. Still have a few targets laying around somewhere from these rifles. and yes I've shot and seen a lot of great shooting rifles in my days gary [/QUOTE]
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