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Remington 700 tweaking ?`s
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<blockquote data-quote="kc0pph" data-source="post: 616493" data-attributes="member: 35934"><p>I apologize if i seemed a little rude last night, I was ready to go to bed but thought i would check my email.</p><p></p><p>Grit,</p><p></p><p>We could discuss this over PM, but i feel it is important to finish out our little conundrum here so that when the site is referenced (which it is highly rated on google), someone has the complete story.</p><p></p><p>I am not arguing at all with your ideas, in fact if you compare our OP's they are really similar, what i am arguing is the initial testing and load development. </p><p></p><p>I understand the points you bring up about accuracy vs consistency. In theory only a free floated barrel, in a perfectly trued action, that is perfectly bedded in a substance that does not compress from the force or recoil, with the grain of the barrel pointing parallel to the boreline... the description can go on and on. Now this description comes from experimental testing.</p><p></p><p>I love being the devils advocate here. ALL matter expands and contracts directly proportional to a change in tempature. This means your barrel will increase or decrease in diameter and length depending on the tempature. Now a free floated barrel what we are trying to do is remove all of the external forces to the barrel. (Well Bore), what about a barrel that is completely bedded in a substance that has the same expansion constant as the steel used to make our barrels? Would POI be inconsistent, no body knows. </p><p></p><p>Now if we get out of the magical land of theoretical physics and into the real world we know somethings are in theory possible such as jumping out of an airplane in a wing suit (Some new sport) and safely landing on the ground without injury. Would I try this, ill leave that to Natural Selection. </p><p></p><p>I think Mr. Young and I could agree to disagree here on one point (Ill give him everything else). When I buy something i run it through its paces before i do anything, I know i could get better results if i spent some money but in some cases i am content. My 270 is an Elk Rifle used for carrying and walking miles and miles. Anything out to 400 Yards I would feel confident with this rifle (This year it will not have a scope, really contradictory to my store here but no need to have a scope to hid a basket ball sized target at 400M. ) </p><p></p><p>Some Individuals out there and for rifles I can say without offending (I think) grit here that he is not happy with it until it is the best that it can be. For many here however the best is not needed there is a such thing as good enough. </p><p></p><p>Unless you send your rifle off to a gunsmith (After a little bit of chat via PM i feel that i may someday use Mr. Young to build a rifle) test what you have it only costs a little any you get a better feel for what you want. When you are ready to get the best the gun can be ship the thing off and it will come back shooting 3 bullets 1 hole. </p><p></p><p>I have once again ranted here, let me real quickly restate the point.</p><p></p><p>If you can be content with something less than the best play around and save your money. Learn how to load a good accurate round. </p><p>If time is short and you need something that will hit an elk at 1000 yards before next elk season have your gunsmith do everything that has been talked about. Then develop a load. </p><p></p><p>Back to the OP, i would urge you to not spend a dime on your rifle until you get a reloading set. Factory ammo just is not up to par. If i remember right you shoot a 260, i am not to famaliar with that round but have NEVER seen "Match Grade Ammo". (I have not really looked). </p><p></p><p></p><p>P.S. Grit if you dissagree I may have to make a special trip to "Visit My Relatives" in Utah and take you out to the range disagree while poping prarie dogs <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kc0pph, post: 616493, member: 35934"] I apologize if i seemed a little rude last night, I was ready to go to bed but thought i would check my email. Grit, We could discuss this over PM, but i feel it is important to finish out our little conundrum here so that when the site is referenced (which it is highly rated on google), someone has the complete story. I am not arguing at all with your ideas, in fact if you compare our OP's they are really similar, what i am arguing is the initial testing and load development. I understand the points you bring up about accuracy vs consistency. In theory only a free floated barrel, in a perfectly trued action, that is perfectly bedded in a substance that does not compress from the force or recoil, with the grain of the barrel pointing parallel to the boreline... the description can go on and on. Now this description comes from experimental testing. I love being the devils advocate here. ALL matter expands and contracts directly proportional to a change in tempature. This means your barrel will increase or decrease in diameter and length depending on the tempature. Now a free floated barrel what we are trying to do is remove all of the external forces to the barrel. (Well Bore), what about a barrel that is completely bedded in a substance that has the same expansion constant as the steel used to make our barrels? Would POI be inconsistent, no body knows. Now if we get out of the magical land of theoretical physics and into the real world we know somethings are in theory possible such as jumping out of an airplane in a wing suit (Some new sport) and safely landing on the ground without injury. Would I try this, ill leave that to Natural Selection. I think Mr. Young and I could agree to disagree here on one point (Ill give him everything else). When I buy something i run it through its paces before i do anything, I know i could get better results if i spent some money but in some cases i am content. My 270 is an Elk Rifle used for carrying and walking miles and miles. Anything out to 400 Yards I would feel confident with this rifle (This year it will not have a scope, really contradictory to my store here but no need to have a scope to hid a basket ball sized target at 400M. ) Some Individuals out there and for rifles I can say without offending (I think) grit here that he is not happy with it until it is the best that it can be. For many here however the best is not needed there is a such thing as good enough. Unless you send your rifle off to a gunsmith (After a little bit of chat via PM i feel that i may someday use Mr. Young to build a rifle) test what you have it only costs a little any you get a better feel for what you want. When you are ready to get the best the gun can be ship the thing off and it will come back shooting 3 bullets 1 hole. I have once again ranted here, let me real quickly restate the point. If you can be content with something less than the best play around and save your money. Learn how to load a good accurate round. If time is short and you need something that will hit an elk at 1000 yards before next elk season have your gunsmith do everything that has been talked about. Then develop a load. Back to the OP, i would urge you to not spend a dime on your rifle until you get a reloading set. Factory ammo just is not up to par. If i remember right you shoot a 260, i am not to famaliar with that round but have NEVER seen "Match Grade Ammo". (I have not really looked). P.S. Grit if you dissagree I may have to make a special trip to "Visit My Relatives" in Utah and take you out to the range disagree while poping prarie dogs :) [/QUOTE]
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