Justice1327
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Interesting take on primer seating depth .
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
Primer crush…does it matter?
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ShtrRdy
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Those F-class guys sure dig in to finding what might affect accuracy and velocity.
I have always wondered about primer crush.
Very well done video.
Very well done video.
MagnumManiac
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Yes, it matters a lot.
It's like finding the correct heat range spark plug.
Cheers.
It's like finding the correct heat range spark plug.
Cheers.
I'd already decided I wasn't gonna measure primer seating depth with anything more than my finger to feel they're set below the case head face.
No matter what this guy determined. Fortunately, his single test concluded primer seating depth is not terribly critical, provided the primers were seated below the face of the case head.
Goody for me and my methods. Reloading rules of the road are already tedious enough to take the fun out of my hobby. I don't need, or want, another tedious procedure.
No matter what this guy determined. Fortunately, his single test concluded primer seating depth is not terribly critical, provided the primers were seated below the face of the case head.
Goody for me and my methods. Reloading rules of the road are already tedious enough to take the fun out of my hobby. I don't need, or want, another tedious procedure.
waveslayer
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There's a whole thread on primer seating depth test on the Hide, very educational from experts, hence my cynical comment on another thread about it. No it doesn't matter. Worth the read
Justice1327
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Can you provide the link. I don't do much surfing on that site. Looking forward to it. Thank you
Jbumblebee
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There's anal and there's really anal in reloading. I'm anal in some areas, but not as anal as this video. It was interesting, but like most youtube videos the presenters talk too much for me.
I'll keep doing what I do.
Like Jbumblebee said,As long as I see good groups I don't see a need to make changes.
If groups go to pot then I will investigate
If groups go to pot then I will investigate
waveslayer
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Here's my disclaimer... The Hide is for thick skinned individuals, this isn't your mom and pop type forum you go asking stupid questions. Be prepared to get a good lashing via the internet.... Not to hurt anyone's feelings, but here she is, you asked. I have had good interactions with some named individuals you may or may not recognize on here.
QuietTexan
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Oh look here's a video that says it does matter:
www.reloadingallday.com
Who to believe, who to believe? I'll believe my targets. Y'all can believe your targets, the targets you talk about on the internet, or the targets you dream about at night for all I care.
Bryan Litz does believe in barrel tuners, not sure where the Hide is getting that rumor from. But in his games of Palma (1 MOA x-ring) and F-TR (1/2 MOA x-ring) wind beats vertical once group size hits a certain point. So an adjustable tuner might be beneficial on a 300 yard rifle shooting for group size where wind is less impactful than it is on a 1000 yard rifle shooting for hits. It doesn't hold that shrinking a group from 1/2 MOA to 1/4 MOA is beneficial in every single case, especially if the shrinkage comes in non-beneficial vertical reduction. The entire concept of load tune vs muzzle velocity stats gives lie to thought process that smaller is always better when it comes to measuring one part of output and not weighing it against the goal set.
Basically this is all nuance, and the Hide' doesn't do nuance real well. But hey not just anyone can be an internet-super-sniper shooting a 308 Win through an enemy sniper's scope at 11,835 yards in the dark, so they have their playground and low-speed old farts have other forums.
Does Primer Seating Depth Matter?
For the longest time, seating depth on primers and especially primer pocket uniforming, has been discredit by almost all of the shooting community. Unfortunately, this tedious method has been pushed off by many individuals. Well, I decided to give it a shot despite what everyone has been saying...
www.reloadingallday.com
Bryan Litz does believe in barrel tuners, not sure where the Hide is getting that rumor from. But in his games of Palma (1 MOA x-ring) and F-TR (1/2 MOA x-ring) wind beats vertical once group size hits a certain point. So an adjustable tuner might be beneficial on a 300 yard rifle shooting for group size where wind is less impactful than it is on a 1000 yard rifle shooting for hits. It doesn't hold that shrinking a group from 1/2 MOA to 1/4 MOA is beneficial in every single case, especially if the shrinkage comes in non-beneficial vertical reduction. The entire concept of load tune vs muzzle velocity stats gives lie to thought process that smaller is always better when it comes to measuring one part of output and not weighing it against the goal set.
Basically this is all nuance, and the Hide' doesn't do nuance real well. But hey not just anyone can be an internet-super-sniper shooting a 308 Win through an enemy sniper's scope at 11,835 yards in the dark, so they have their playground and low-speed old farts have other forums.
waveslayer
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I find the opposite to be true on other forums, but that's why we are all entitled to opinionsOh look here's a video that says it does matter:
Who to believe, who to believe? I'll believe my targets. Y'all can believe your targets, the targets you talk about on the internet, or the targets you dream about at night for all I care.Does Primer Seating Depth Matter?
For the longest time, seating depth on primers and especially primer pocket uniforming, has been discredit by almost all of the shooting community. Unfortunately, this tedious method has been pushed off by many individuals. Well, I decided to give it a shot despite what everyone has been saying...
Bryan Litz does believe in barrel tuners, not sure where the Hide is getting that rumor from. But in his games of Palma (1 MOA x-ring) and F-TR (1/2 MOA x-ring) wind beats vertical once group size hits a certain point. So an adjustable tuner might be beneficial on a 300 yard rifle shooting for group size where wind is less impactful than it is on a 1000 yard rifle shooting for hits. It doesn't hold that shrinking a group from 1/2 MOA to 1/4 MOA is beneficial in every single case, especially if the shrinkage comes in non-beneficial vertical reduction. The entire concept of load tune vs muzzle velocity stats gives lie to thought process that smaller is always better when it comes to measuring one part of output and not weighing it against the goal set.
Basically this is all nuance, and the Hide' doesn't do nuance real well. But hey not just anyone can be an internet-super-sniper shooting a 308 Win through an enemy sniper's scope at 11,835 yards in the dark, so they have their playground and low-speed old farts have other forums.
I have been using the CPS Tool from Primal Rights to seat our primers. Some shooters can say what difference does it make? Well consistent primer depth along with a seating tool that is easy to use along with ergonomics.
Why do I use
For the same reason I have a AMP, V-4 System, Henderson Trimmer, Whidden Dies, NECO Concentricity, Redding Instant Indicator, JGS Reamers, Mitutoyo Measuring, ect. I want to be able to get CONSISTANT results for each and every cartridge I reload and rifle I shoot. I don't just reload to push a bullet through a rifled barrel. I reload to try to make the best accurate cartridge that I can shoot and reloading with the BEST equipment is more than satisfying it's just plain FUN!
Why do I use
CPS - Competition Primer Seater
From Primal Rights?For the same reason I have a AMP, V-4 System, Henderson Trimmer, Whidden Dies, NECO Concentricity, Redding Instant Indicator, JGS Reamers, Mitutoyo Measuring, ect. I want to be able to get CONSISTANT results for each and every cartridge I reload and rifle I shoot. I don't just reload to push a bullet through a rifled barrel. I reload to try to make the best accurate cartridge that I can shoot and reloading with the BEST equipment is more than satisfying it's just plain FUN!
