long action
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I am about to start my last full blown custom rifle. It will be between a 7 WSM or 280AI. Witch way would you go?.
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Ian M
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Ronnie,
That is a great question - look forward to reading what the guys here suggest. I would lean towards the 7WSM, just sort of getting to like the short fat cases and might be easier to live with since you can buy factory brass. But the 280 Improved has proven itself for decades. Pushed 7mm Rem mag performance, gives you an extra round in the mag., has great history. Some of the most knowledgable hunters I have met favor the .280 Imp., have seen some incredible custom rifles in that cartridge.
That is a great question - look forward to reading what the guys here suggest. I would lean towards the 7WSM, just sort of getting to like the short fat cases and might be easier to live with since you can buy factory brass. But the 280 Improved has proven itself for decades. Pushed 7mm Rem mag performance, gives you an extra round in the mag., has great history. Some of the most knowledgable hunters I have met favor the .280 Imp., have seen some incredible custom rifles in that cartridge.
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Well I dont know much about either since I am currently in the production of my very first custom rifle in .284 caliber.
I would say the 7wsm for the following reasons:
-short bolt throw
-easily available brass
I really cant think of anything else off of the top of my head. I am not sure of the case capacity difference between the 7wsm and the 280AI.
Whichever you do I would throat it to shoot the 200gr wildcat, with a BC of .900 something it should be awesome
good luck
steve
I would say the 7wsm for the following reasons:
-short bolt throw
-easily available brass
I really cant think of anything else off of the top of my head. I am not sure of the case capacity difference between the 7wsm and the 280AI.
Whichever you do I would throat it to shoot the 200gr wildcat, with a BC of .900 something it should be awesome
good luck
steve
Well I am a huge fan of the .280 and I have never owned or even shot one. Someday I will also build a full blown custom rifle, and I do mean full blown. Not a single element will be standard factory gear. Even the bolt handle will be unlike anything being offered from nesika bay.
Almost everything I have learned about the .280 is positive. The energy is good for LR deer and elk. The accuracy is good for very LR coyotes and chucks. The recoil is not sharp or as harsh as the 7mm rem mag. The accuracy of the rounds being fireformed is often sub MOA. This allows having the rifle for a season and using it as a regular custom rifle while forming a boodle of brass then the following seasons the accuracy is likely to improve from having brass formed to your chamber. Throat life is good and in a pinch (you forgot your ammo) you can buy factory .280 rem ammo off the shelf and continue the hunting trip.
I have heard that the round really comes to life in a 28" or longer bbl with 32" being the "magic number" in a 1:9 twist. Loads using a 140gr to 160gr ish bullet seem to be the cats meow for this chambering. But that was before Wildcat Bullets came along. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Dang it! Now I'm all lathered up about that project again. I can't wait to begin working on that gun but as it is I already have many irons in the fire.(And the family wants a hunting dog now. I really need about 30 hours in a day but only 8 days a week.)
Aaaaaanyway. It would be better for a guy who calls himself "Long Action" to have the AI instead of the 7mm short, fat, squatty, wide-bottom, pin-head shaped, mangnum.
Almost everything I have learned about the .280 is positive. The energy is good for LR deer and elk. The accuracy is good for very LR coyotes and chucks. The recoil is not sharp or as harsh as the 7mm rem mag. The accuracy of the rounds being fireformed is often sub MOA. This allows having the rifle for a season and using it as a regular custom rifle while forming a boodle of brass then the following seasons the accuracy is likely to improve from having brass formed to your chamber. Throat life is good and in a pinch (you forgot your ammo) you can buy factory .280 rem ammo off the shelf and continue the hunting trip.
I have heard that the round really comes to life in a 28" or longer bbl with 32" being the "magic number" in a 1:9 twist. Loads using a 140gr to 160gr ish bullet seem to be the cats meow for this chambering. But that was before Wildcat Bullets came along. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Dang it! Now I'm all lathered up about that project again. I can't wait to begin working on that gun but as it is I already have many irons in the fire.(And the family wants a hunting dog now. I really need about 30 hours in a day but only 8 days a week.)
Aaaaaanyway. It would be better for a guy who calls himself "Long Action" to have the AI instead of the 7mm short, fat, squatty, wide-bottom, pin-head shaped, mangnum.
royinidaho
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I am about to start my last full blown custom rifle. It will be between a 7 WSM or 280AI. Witch way would you go?.
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Well pilgrim I'll tell ya. And I'll tell ya why. Completely unbiased and purely scientific. yea, right!
Of course its the 280 REM AI!
Reasons:
1)The case. There is something unique about the parent case. When the 06/270/280/6.5-06 are loaded and rattled together they have that certain unduplicatible sound that the short fat cases can't make. Kind of like when an F-4 Phantom is fired up. You know its a Phantom. Just sounds good.
2)With a proper smith doing the work short fat/long slender doesn't make a squat of difference.
3)W/the proper bbl length and some nifty reloading as said above, you'll push the 7mm Rem. and probably push the 7WSM right along with it.
4)W/a bullet weight greater than 140 you're getting to some good BCs and bullets that will reach out and touch about as far as you would want to walk after the shot.
5)"starting my last full blown custom rifle." If you're gonna go out, out of custom stuff that is, ya may as well go out in a blaze of glory. Kind of like Slim Pickens on the Nuke. You'd probably look dumb sittin' on one of those fat little cartridges.
and finally, with a moniker like "long action" your predisposed to the long slender 280 AI. Guess you're stuck with it. Its in yer genes.
Really though, I think that the 280 even the 280AI have a much better longer track record than the WSM. Plus its way cool and not just another fad and you'll feel much more dignified when you show it off.
I am about to start my last full blown custom rifle. It will be between a 7 WSM or 280AI. Witch way would you go?.
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Well pilgrim I'll tell ya. And I'll tell ya why. Completely unbiased and purely scientific. yea, right!
Of course its the 280 REM AI!
Reasons:
1)The case. There is something unique about the parent case. When the 06/270/280/6.5-06 are loaded and rattled together they have that certain unduplicatible sound that the short fat cases can't make. Kind of like when an F-4 Phantom is fired up. You know its a Phantom. Just sounds good.
2)With a proper smith doing the work short fat/long slender doesn't make a squat of difference.
3)W/the proper bbl length and some nifty reloading as said above, you'll push the 7mm Rem. and probably push the 7WSM right along with it.
4)W/a bullet weight greater than 140 you're getting to some good BCs and bullets that will reach out and touch about as far as you would want to walk after the shot.
5)"starting my last full blown custom rifle." If you're gonna go out, out of custom stuff that is, ya may as well go out in a blaze of glory. Kind of like Slim Pickens on the Nuke. You'd probably look dumb sittin' on one of those fat little cartridges.
and finally, with a moniker like "long action" your predisposed to the long slender 280 AI. Guess you're stuck with it. Its in yer genes.
Really though, I think that the 280 even the 280AI have a much better longer track record than the WSM. Plus its way cool and not just another fad and you'll feel much more dignified when you show it off.
long action
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Thanks guys. I had a extreme custom 280 for the last five years. I am handicapped and it was getting to heavy to handle. I sold it to my best friend. It would stay at 2.5" at 600 on a bad day.
Roy you are right I just love the looks of that round, and the 280 is just plain solid with no glory attached.
Went through extensive surgery this summer so I can handle more weight. I am fairly certain this one is going to be a 280AI even though some of you made great points about the 7WSM. Cant picture me shoving a squatty body up the tube. Just to old and ornery I guess.
Roy you are right I just love the looks of that round, and the 280 is just plain solid with no glory attached.
Went through extensive surgery this summer so I can handle more weight. I am fairly certain this one is going to be a 280AI even though some of you made great points about the 7WSM. Cant picture me shoving a squatty body up the tube. Just to old and ornery I guess.
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Long Action,
Good luck with your build!
Good luck with your build!
royinidaho
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The reasons we do some of the things we do is quite entertaining. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
I know you'll have good luck with your build. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Good luck with your shootin'.
May the wind always be in your favor.
I know you'll have good luck with your build. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Good luck with your shootin'.
May the wind always be in your favor.
Ian M
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Ronnie,
Best of luck with your health and your rifle build. Interesting how some of us geezers put so much importance on the reputation a cartridge has built for itself. Sounds like you have someone who can build a fine shooter, let us know how this all comes together.
Me, I will go with a 7mm WSM someday despite the excellent reasoning that the guys provided. Probably have to get another NonTypical from George Gardner since they are about as nice handling a rifle as I have ever played with and I happen to have the first ever built. George tells me that the M-700 WSM actions work very well, feed real nice, he has worked on the Remington M-700 a time or two.
Have to scratch the 6.5 itch first tho.
Best of luck with your health and your rifle build. Interesting how some of us geezers put so much importance on the reputation a cartridge has built for itself. Sounds like you have someone who can build a fine shooter, let us know how this all comes together.
Me, I will go with a 7mm WSM someday despite the excellent reasoning that the guys provided. Probably have to get another NonTypical from George Gardner since they are about as nice handling a rifle as I have ever played with and I happen to have the first ever built. George tells me that the M-700 WSM actions work very well, feed real nice, he has worked on the Remington M-700 a time or two.
Have to scratch the 6.5 itch first tho.
long action
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Dang Ian, I sure wish you had not mentioned 6.5. The little voices in my head keep whispering 6.5. Hurricane Rita dead centered me and I can't afford two rifles. Having had such great luck with my previous 280, what little good since I have tells me to build another. The little voices keep saying 6.5. I have a 1k match winning 300 win, and a custom 308 that could not be any better. Those two should leave out the need for another 280.
Oh the tortured life of a gun fanatic. So many calibers, all with great merits. I think we should form a committee on this board. When one of us is in a quandary about the next build we could just send them the money and have them do the build. Come to think of it, the decisions are great part of the enjoyment of what we do.
6.5 Go away, 6.5 go away. See what you have started?.
Oh the tortured life of a gun fanatic. So many calibers, all with great merits. I think we should form a committee on this board. When one of us is in a quandary about the next build we could just send them the money and have them do the build. Come to think of it, the decisions are great part of the enjoyment of what we do.
6.5 Go away, 6.5 go away. See what you have started?.
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