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Discussion in 'Long Range Hunting & Shooting' started by 7mmRemMag, Apr 23, 2012.

  1. 7mmRemMag

    7mmRemMag Well-Known Member

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    So a friend and I were talking about experiences in the past specifically with the 7mm Rem Mag cartridge. Neither of us have ever lost an animal with it but have had animals run off 15-20 yards even with a very well placed shot. I love the 7mm Rem Mag myself but have begun to wonder why this happens all to often. Compared to 300 win mag or 300 wsm and even the 270wsm. Most if not all are DRT right on the spot. I've only had one do that with the 7mm and it was a neck shot. With The other cartridges even shoulder shot go down right there. Heck I only ever had one deer run with the 30 06 and that one was a bad shot, but dropped many a deer DRT with that too. I still have faith in my 7mm I love it, but it seems my buddy is not to excited about his anymore. So my question obviously is why don't they go down DRT as often? Is the bullet a little fast? Not enough energy being dumped into the animal? What can it be? Anyone else out there with similar experiences? Thanks in advance for any info you can provide.

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  2. reelamin

    reelamin Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely the deadliest caliber I have ever seen on Elk and Deer. Specifically the 160 Partition at 3050fps. Just hammers them one after the other every single time. Farthest I have seen is a 300+ bull at 575...DRT. That being said the guy just laughs at me with my new elk rifle every 3-4 years. I have never owned one and probably won't for some stupid reason. He has been shooting the same old Remington with the same old reload for the last 30 years. No...I am a far better shot then he is. It has to be the right bullet at the right velocity.
     

  3. Korhil78

    Korhil78 Well-Known Member

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    I have had every animal that I have shot with my 25-06 go down right after the shot. I shot a whitetail with 150 gr bullet out of a 300 WSM and the deer ran about 100 yds before falling over. You could see the blood poring out the other side like some one was poring a glass of kool aide out of it while it was running. I believe that you are dang lucky to have every animal that you have shot go down within 15 to 20 yds. That to me is good shooting and shot placement. I was with a buddy of mine when he shot a large 6x5 bull elk with a 300 RUM and 180 gr bullet. Perfect double lung and it ran 20 yds and died.

    Some animals will run on you and not know they are dead until they just fall over and others will just die right off the bat.
     
  4. 7mmRemMag

    7mmRemMag Well-Known Member

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    I'm shooting 160gr Accubonds at around 3050fps also. He's shooting 180gr Berger VLD I'm not sure what velocity on his though. I shot a buck a couple years ago with 150gr SMK and he went about 15 yards. Could it be the distance? None of the game I shot were further than 150yrds. Although he had a buck run with the Berger and it was about 300yards. Im hoping to use the Accubonds out to 600 this year since its my most accurate load.
     
  5. 7mmRemMag

    7mmRemMag Well-Known Member

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    Wow! I had that happen once only he ran way beyond 100 yards because I miss judged the distance with the 3006 broke its leg. Had to track him wear him out and put a second shot in him. But to see an animal go that far with a well placed shot Is incredible! It must be adrenalin or something
     
  6. roninflag

    roninflag Well-Known Member

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    my 7 mag sendero killed a rocky mtn bighorn ; 297 yards. my buddy shot a 85 inch antelope 590 yards; and a 223 inch mule deer 198 yards. it is deadly.
     
  7. Nimrodmar10

    Nimrodmar10 Well-Known Member

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    As far as how far an animal runs after being shot is not so much about what you shoot him with but where you shoot him. Almost any deer, elk or whatever big game animal you shoot through the heart/lung area will run for a ways before he keels over, unless you take out his running gear. The only 100% sure way to do this is a brain shot, which is risky at best. The next best way is a spine shot. Still probably not the best choice for long range hunting. Probably the best way to anchor a game animal at long range is the one used on most of the hunting shows we watch on the outdoor shows on TV. It's the high shoulder shot. The bullet passes through both shoulders completely disabling both front legs, both lungs and the major arteries going to the heart. The damage caused by the bullet, as well as the bone fragments from the shoulder, is extensive, adding to the lethality of the shot. Add a Berger VLD Hunting bullet to this equation seals the deal. The VLD bullet penetrates 3-4 inches into the animal then disentigrates causing massive internal damage.

    Now, do we really need this much stopping power? If you're making hunting videos I guess you do. It looks really impressive. Personally, I use the lung shot behind the shoulder because I eat the deer and elk and don't really want all that damage to the meat. And if I get in a situation where I really want the animal dead right there, I'll shoot it in the spine just behind the head.
     
  8. 7mmRemMag

    7mmRemMag Well-Known Member

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    Well said. I too have always been a fan of breaking both shoulders instead of behind the shoulder. I have found that it does damage a lot of the meat though. I kind of would rather be sure he doesnt go far so I shoot them there anyway. It's been a couple years since Ive killed anything with my 7mm only because I enjoy my 270wsm so much. But its definitely going to see some field time for practice for this coming season. It's my most accurate gun I own and I'd like to push it out to Longer ranges. If I was able to make due with 140gr accubond out to 550yards with the 270wsm. I know my 160accubonds in 7mm should be able to go a little further. But I do video most of my hunts, so your right on that one. Looks much better when they are DRT
     
  9. Fla shooter

    Fla shooter Well-Known Member

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    Well put nimrod
     
  10. Long Time Long Ranger

    Long Time Long Ranger Well-Known Member

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    Your 7mm rem mag will drop an animal on the spot just as quick as any you mentioned. Just depends on shot placement.
     
  11. BlackStreak

    BlackStreak Active Member

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    Different bullets have different affects on terminal ballistics. A slight change from one rifle to another, not so much. Shot placement is the key factored in a bang flop but added security can come from a properly chosen bullet.
     
  12. 7mmRemMag

    7mmRemMag Well-Known Member

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    What do you all think about the 160gr accubond? So far I have only shot paper with that load. I used to use 150smk but prior to that I would shoot factory ammo...federal 165 gr Sierra Gameking. I like the accubond out of my 270wsm I shoot 140gr out of it, love the performance. Would the 160gr be good out of my 7mm? My gun so far on paper absolutely love it. It will out shoot the 22-250s I got and they shoot great!
     
  13. reelamin

    reelamin Well-Known Member

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    Are we still talking about the 7mm Remington Magnum. It would appear the information continued to get broader by the latest post.

    I have only seen a few Deer and Elk shot with Accubonds. They have performed perfectly every time. The longest was a 470yd shot on a 310 bull with a 300WSM shooting 165's. Double lung, complete pass through, dead 100yds away. I would not hesitate to use a 160 in a 7mm Remington Magnum for Deer and Elk.
     
  14. Long Time Long Ranger

    Long Time Long Ranger Well-Known Member

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    The 160 AB is an excellent hunting bullet.