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OAL too long for magazine?
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<blockquote data-quote="Mikecr" data-source="post: 550019" data-attributes="member: 1521"><p>Boomtube, you must be of the same mind as Remington's management!</p><p>I agree that benchrest is completly different than hunting. I don't really see cross application between the two.</p><p>But I do not subscribe to defeated notions that 'hunting accuracy' should be accepted as lesser than 'target accuracy'.</p><p>I see it just opposite.</p><p></p><p>For one thing, accuracy and cold bore accuracy, are different and seperate from hot grouping/score.</p><p>Accuracy is defined with any single shot, which in hunting, IS the first shot.</p><p>With this, guns that could never fare well in competition, are often very accurate still..</p><p>Many make fantastic hunting guns because they are accurate. </p><p>It just has to be tested and recognized for it's real world potential in the field.</p><p></p><p>I'm a walking varmint hunter, and my carry rifles have to be at least 1/2moa cold barrel accurate to 500yds, off Harris bipods. No fixed ranges, sighters, benches, benchrests, or wind flags.</p><p>IMO, this would not be one bit easier with benchrest guns. Nor do I believe they would perform better under the same conditions. I think it would take as much work to get a BR gun shooting accurately enough for the real world, as with a decent factory gun(such as Savage) to hold it's own in competition.</p><p></p><p>But factory guns can be made to shoot, and I would NOT hold an ~1MOA gun for long. What the hell good would it do me?</p><p>And, I'm tellin you, there ain't no way MY guns could be relied on for <1/2moa if not for specific seating. Every gun I have ever load developed for dialed in greatly with seating adjustments.</p><p>I see far off seating as holding the same potential as closer seating, but I wouldn't put it there merely out of magazine length limit. I would only put it where the barrel/bullet combo shoots best. Nor would I understand that terrible shooting bullets when seated close to the lands -that shoot better with a run at the lands(solids), are the most accurate bullets to use given a magzine limit.</p><p>I see that just as ridiculous as a 1MOA expectation of hunting guns.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mikecr, post: 550019, member: 1521"] Boomtube, you must be of the same mind as Remington's management! I agree that benchrest is completly different than hunting. I don't really see cross application between the two. But I do not subscribe to defeated notions that 'hunting accuracy' should be accepted as lesser than 'target accuracy'. I see it just opposite. For one thing, accuracy and cold bore accuracy, are different and seperate from hot grouping/score. Accuracy is defined with any single shot, which in hunting, IS the first shot. With this, guns that could never fare well in competition, are often very accurate still.. Many make fantastic hunting guns because they are accurate. It just has to be tested and recognized for it's real world potential in the field. I'm a walking varmint hunter, and my carry rifles have to be at least 1/2moa cold barrel accurate to 500yds, off Harris bipods. No fixed ranges, sighters, benches, benchrests, or wind flags. IMO, this would not be one bit easier with benchrest guns. Nor do I believe they would perform better under the same conditions. I think it would take as much work to get a BR gun shooting accurately enough for the real world, as with a decent factory gun(such as Savage) to hold it's own in competition. But factory guns can be made to shoot, and I would NOT hold an ~1MOA gun for long. What the hell good would it do me? And, I'm tellin you, there ain't no way MY guns could be relied on for <1/2moa if not for specific seating. Every gun I have ever load developed for dialed in greatly with seating adjustments. I see far off seating as holding the same potential as closer seating, but I wouldn't put it there merely out of magazine length limit. I would only put it where the barrel/bullet combo shoots best. Nor would I understand that terrible shooting bullets when seated close to the lands -that shoot better with a run at the lands(solids), are the most accurate bullets to use given a magzine limit. I see that just as ridiculous as a 1MOA expectation of hunting guns. [/QUOTE]
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