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<blockquote data-quote="Scot E" data-source="post: 608306" data-attributes="member: 10832"><p>I understand your point but the concept is still exactly the same with either. This is just me but I think the biggest mistake guys make when they use MIL or MOA is to get all caught up in the math of it all. If you are using either correctly, at least correctly in my view <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" />, there really is no math to worry about. </p><p></p><p>I would guess for about 90-95% of the shots taken it just isn't needed and actually makes things much more difficult and confusing. Most of us use a rangefinder to determine range then use a chart or software to determine dope corrections. That requires no math. Even sighting in or calling misses requires no math if you just use the reticle to determine how many MILS or MOA you were off with your reticle, then adjust and shoot again. No math. I see so many guys measuring in inches how far off target they were then fussing over the math to convert inches into MILS or MOA then figuring how many clicks they need to adjust their turret. Instead all they needed to do was visually measure through the scope the difference in POI vs POA in MILS or MOA and then dial that amount into the turret. ( For clarification what I mean is that MILs would be dialed into a MIL scope and MOA would be dialed into an MOA scope) No math needed! One of the great things about angular measurements and a good MIL or MOA reticle is all you have to do is read how far off your shot was from center in MILs or MOA and then adjust the turret accordingly. The next shot will be dead on. SIMPLE, QUICK, AND NO MATH! lightbulb So much easier! Now having said that I do use a scope that has a sufficient reticle to do what I just mentioned. A duplex reticle isn't going to be nearly as user friendly in this regard but is still doable with practice. </p><p></p><p>I do understand that if you are going to use the reticle to range a target that you have to use math. But I would guess the number of guys that do that with today's rangefinders are very small. </p><p></p><p>Scot E.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scot E, post: 608306, member: 10832"] I understand your point but the concept is still exactly the same with either. This is just me but I think the biggest mistake guys make when they use MIL or MOA is to get all caught up in the math of it all. If you are using either correctly, at least correctly in my view :D, there really is no math to worry about. I would guess for about 90-95% of the shots taken it just isn't needed and actually makes things much more difficult and confusing. Most of us use a rangefinder to determine range then use a chart or software to determine dope corrections. That requires no math. Even sighting in or calling misses requires no math if you just use the reticle to determine how many MILS or MOA you were off with your reticle, then adjust and shoot again. No math. I see so many guys measuring in inches how far off target they were then fussing over the math to convert inches into MILS or MOA then figuring how many clicks they need to adjust their turret. Instead all they needed to do was visually measure through the scope the difference in POI vs POA in MILS or MOA and then dial that amount into the turret. ( For clarification what I mean is that MILs would be dialed into a MIL scope and MOA would be dialed into an MOA scope) No math needed! One of the great things about angular measurements and a good MIL or MOA reticle is all you have to do is read how far off your shot was from center in MILs or MOA and then adjust the turret accordingly. The next shot will be dead on. SIMPLE, QUICK, AND NO MATH! lightbulb So much easier! Now having said that I do use a scope that has a sufficient reticle to do what I just mentioned. A duplex reticle isn't going to be nearly as user friendly in this regard but is still doable with practice. I do understand that if you are going to use the reticle to range a target that you have to use math. But I would guess the number of guys that do that with today's rangefinders are very small. Scot E. [/QUOTE]
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